Should we clone Jesus?

[Petrasylvania]

After re-inventing technology from the ground up, Apple is moving in a new direction.
We want to bring the consumer an experience like no other. An experience so vividly real that it itself is an illusion of reality within reality.
Introducing, iJesus. The next step of cloning technology.

MessIah.

[Hurdergaryp]

After re-inventing technology from the ground up, Apple is moving in a new direction.
We want to bring the consumer an experience like no other. An experience so vividly real that it itself is an illusion of reality within reality.
Introducing, iJesus. The next step of cloning technology.

messIah.

Accept only authenticity and get yourself the real deal: IESVS.

[Herzegovenia]

So the coming of christ 2: Eletric Boogaloo?

[The Archregimancy]

WHY STOP THERE?

Let us clone Moses, Muhammad, Buddha, Confucius, Mahavira, Zeno of Citium, Joseph Smith and L Ron Hubbard...

That would be tricky.

The location of Moses's burial site is unknown; while the burial site of Confucius is know, the Cemetery of Confucius was vandalised during the Cultural Revolution and many of the Kong family graves - including that of Confucius himself - were dug up or otherwise disturbed; the stories surrounding Mahavira's death/achievement of Nirvana conflict, but according to at least one source his body simply dissolved into the air like incense; I know of no grave or other likely surviving relic (in the secular sense) of Zeno; and L Ron Hubbard was cremated.

That leaves you with Jesus (who ascended into heaven, but left purported relics of blood behind), Muhammed (buried in the Green Dome), Gautama Buddha (various purported relics; though these are even more widespread than relics of Jesus), and Joseph Smith (buried in the Smith Family Cemetery in Nauvoo, Illinois).

[Fartsniffage]

So the coming of christ 2: Eletric Genetic Boogaloo?

ftfy

[The Batavia]

So the coming of christ 2: Eletric Boogaloo?

y e s

[The Archregimancy]

Nonsense, this is a perfectly normal and reasonable thread for this time of the year.

To make it more general: people will try and clone famous people from the past. Jesus is just one of the more controversial ones to do it too.

All joking aside, part of that controversy would of course lie in Jesus's theological status [within Christianity] as fully human and fully divine; the pre-existent divine Logos made flesh.

Any attempt to clone Jesus, granting this hypothetical more time than in really deserves, therefore raises serious Christological issues about the relationship between Christ's human and divine natures, as defined by the Council of Chalcedon: 'in Christ there are two natures; each retaining its own properties, and together united in one person and in one single substence'.

You'd have theologians and philosophers falling over each other arguing over whether cloned Jesus proves, disproves, or is irrelevant to the hypostatic union.

And I suspect that you very well knew that when you started the thread.

Cheeky Blaat.

[The Blaatschapen]

To make it more general: people will try and clone famous people from the past. Jesus is just one of the more controversial ones to do it too.

All joking aside, part of that controversy would of course lie in Jesus's theological status [within Christianity] as fully human and fully divine; the pre-existent divine Logos made flesh.

Any attempt to clone Jesus, granting this hypothetical more time than in really deserves, therefore raises serious Christological issues about the relationship between Christ's human and divine natures, as defined by the Council of Chalcedon: 'in Christ there are two natures; each retaining its own properties, and together united in one person and in one single subsistence'.

You'd have theologians and philosophers falling over each other arguing over whether cloned Jesus proves, disproves, or is irrelevant to the hypostatic union.

And I suspect that you very well knew that when you started the thread.

Cheeky Blaat.

You overestimate my knowledge of Christian theology.

I mostly thought of the second coming

[Ethel mermania]

Or so they claim. And it is telling that one of the first succesfully cloned mammals was a sheep.
A Dutch sheep.

As religious doctrine clearly states, the Lord is not a sheep, he is a shepherd.

A wolf in sheep's clothing, so to speak.

[Garden at 6th Mile Road]

All joking aside, part of that controversy would of course lie in Jesus's theological status [within Christianity] as fully human and fully divine; the pre-existent divine Logos made flesh.

Any attempt to clone Jesus, granting this hypothetical more time than in really deserves, therefore raises serious Christological issues about the relationship between Christ's human and divine natures, as defined by the Council of Chalcedon: 'in Christ there are two natures; each retaining its own properties, and together united in one person and in one single subsistence'.

You'd have theologians and philosophers falling over each other arguing over whether cloned Jesus proves, disproves, or is irrelevant to the hypostatic union.

And I suspect that you very well knew that when you started the thread.

Cheeky Blaat.

All of this could be solved if you just have a time machine lying around. Your secret archaeological job will mostly involve travelling back in time and interviewing past people, then just publish your works under a pseudonym and pretend like nothing happened.

So many things to ask the non-cloned past people, but they cannot answer us right now because they are dead.

[The Batavia]

All joking aside, part of that controversy would of course lie in Jesus's theological status [within Christianity] as fully human and fully divine; the pre-existent divine Logos made flesh.

Any attempt to clone Jesus, granting this hypothetical more time than in really deserves, therefore raises serious Christological issues about the relationship between Christ's human and divine natures, as defined by the Council of Chalcedon: 'in Christ there are two natures; each retaining its own properties, and together united in one person and in one single subsistence'.

You'd have theologians and philosophers falling over each other arguing over whether cloned Jesus proves, disproves, or is irrelevant to the hypostatic union.

And I suspect that you very well knew that when you started the thread.

Cheeky Blaat.

All of this could be solved if you just have a time machine lying around. Your secret archaeological job will mostly involve travelling back in time and interviewing past people, then just publish your works under a pseudonym and pretend like nothing happened.

So many things to ask the non-cloned past people, but they cannot answer us right now because they are dead.

Honestly an interview with George Washington would be pretty cool

[Garden at 6th Mile Road]

Honestly an interview with George Washington would be pretty cool

That, and the philosophical question of consciousness. Even if Jesus-cloning was successful, how sure are we that he will have the same mindset, same thoughts... same consciousness as his past? For all we know, maybe some random soul went into him after being cloned.

Then again, this is merely speculation from me. I cannot wrap my head around on how good my cloned self will fare. If I am dead for some time and someone resurrected me with a clone, I'm pretty sure some consciousness will get it, while I am still living my future life as a cat or something.

[Oil exporting People]

N.S. Summer continues to hit hard, I see.

[Garden at 6th Mile Road]

N.S. Summer continues to hit hard, I see.

I'm in here all along.

[The Blaatschapen]

N.S. Summer continues to hit hard, I see.

please clarify.

[Auze]

That leaves you with Jesus (who ascended into heaven, but left purported relics of blood behind), Muhammed (buried in the Green Dome), Gautama Buddha (various purported relics; though these are even more widespread than relics of Jesus), and Joseph Smith (buried in the Smith Family Cemetery in Nauvoo, Illinois).

And good luck getting decent DNA samples from Joseph Smith's body, as he was not embalmed and thus there are probably no good traces left of DNA that is needed for cloning.

[Mestovakia]

I know what we have to do. Clone Kahless Jesus and put him in a temple for a devoted follower to find.

[Hurdergaryp]

That leaves you with Jesus (who ascended into heaven, but left purported relics of blood behind), Muhammed (buried in the Green Dome), Gautama Buddha (various purported relics; though these are even more widespread than relics of Jesus), and Joseph Smith (buried in the Smith Family Cemetery in Nauvoo, Illinois).

And good luck getting decent DNA samples from Joseph Smith's body, as he was not embalmed and thus there are probably no good traces left of DNA that is needed for cloning.

Just a matter of reconstructing his DNA code with the help of genetic material of descendants.

[Auze]

And good luck getting decent DNA samples from Joseph Smith's body, as he was not embalmed and thus there are probably no good traces left of DNA that is needed for cloning.

Just a matter of reconstructing his DNA code with the help of genetic material of descendants.

Now you have to deal with both the LDS and RLDS church and get the two to cooperate at the same time... best to just let it go.

[Mestovakia]

Using Science to resurrect a major religious figure.

I'd love to sit in on the Science/Religion debates.

[Pope Joan]

According to John the beloved disciple, Jesus said '"The flesh is nothing; it is the spirit which gives life". So, no.

[Hurdergaryp]

According to John the beloved disciple, Jesus said '"The flesh is nothing; it is the spirit which gives life". So, no.

The supremacy of materialism aside, that is not the point. If the opportunity presents itself to clone the most famous of Nazarenes, it would be a shame not to do it.

[Pope Joan]

According to John the beloved disciple, Jesus said '"The flesh is nothing; it is the spirit which gives life". So, no.

The supremacy of materialism aside, that is not the point. If the opportunity presents itself to clone the most famous of Nazarenes, it would be a shame not to do it.

He is already alive as a spiritual being. Anabaptists believe that at the Ascension his spirit become universally located and so is accessible to all. incarnating again would disrupt this pattern.

The Ascension is as important to us as Christmas.

[Hurdergaryp]

The supremacy of materialism aside, that is not the point. If the opportunity presents itself to clone the most famous of Nazarenes, it would be a shame not to do it.

He is already alive as a spiritual being. Anabaptists believe that at the Ascension his spirit become universally located and so is accessible to all. incarnating again would disrupt this pattern.

The Ascension is as important to us as Christmas.

Can't be helped, I'm afraid. It is impossible to please everybody.

[Auze]

He is already alive as a spiritual being. Anabaptists believe that at the Ascension his spirit become universally located and so is accessible to all. incarnating again would disrupt this pattern.

The Ascension is as important to us as Christmas.

Can't be helped, I'm afraid. It is impossible to please everybody.

*aims heavy artillery at Hurdergaryp* We can try with this.