EU Article 13 Copyright proposal discussion thread

[Eclius]

"The tech-heads argue that the current system where a platform is obliged to act only when informed of copyright-infringing material is a "balanced liability model" that allows internet services to flourish while limiting widespread piracy of others' work."

No it doesn't, it means huge media conglomerates make huge profits while others are left with nothing, but scraps

Ironically enough, 'those huge media conglomerates' will be the only ones standing if Articles 11+13 pass. They'll be the only ones who can pay the 'link tax' (article 11) and smaller companies and content creators who use other's content fairly will be destroyed.

It's just like high business taxes: the big companies take a small hit, the small ones get demolished.

In case it gets passed, would it be possible for those giant tech firms to file some sort of lawsuit? I'm not 100% sure how everything works here.

[Estanglia]

Ironically enough, 'those huge media conglomerates' will be the only ones standing if Articles 11+13 pass. They'll be the only ones who can pay the 'link tax' (article 11) and smaller companies and content creators who use other's content fairly will be destroyed.

It's just like high business taxes: the big companies take a small hit, the small ones get demolished.

In case it gets passed, would it be possible for those giant tech firms to file some sort of lawsuit? I'm not 100% sure how everything works here.

Neither am I, but it seems like, if the articles pass, they'll only be taken down by legislation removing it. In other words, pretty much never except in the case of outrage in every member states government, due to the structure of the EU.

[Eclius]

In case it gets passed, would it be possible for those giant tech firms to file some sort of lawsuit? I'm not 100% sure how everything works here.

Neither am I, but it seems like, if the articles pass, they'll only be taken down by legislation removing it. In other words, pretty much never except in the case of outrage in every member states government, due to the structure of the EU.

I mean, someone said earlier that individual member states can reject the directive if deemed unconstitutional, so yeah. I think some article said same thing happened to some EU directive in 2006.

[Eclius]

Estanglia, can you please take a look at this: https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne ... -directive
The last paragraph said "This is what happened with the Data Retention Directive (2006/24/EC), when EU legislators ignored compatibility problems with the Charter of Fundamental Rights. In 2014, the Court of Justice declared the Data Retention Directive invalid because it violated the Charter." In case it gets passed, I truly hope something like this happens, whereby constitutional court blocks it.

[Estanglia]

Estanglia, can you please take a look at this: https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne ... -directive
The last paragraph said "This is what happened with the Data Retention Directive (2006/24/EC), when EU legislators ignored compatibility problems with the Charter of Fundamental Rights. In 2014, the Court of Justice declared the Data Retention Directive invalid because it violated the Charter." In case it gets passed, I truly hope something like this happens, whereby constitutional court blocks it.

I looked at this, and I agree. I did not realise that courts could rule EU proposals as 'unconstitutional'.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Yeah, the holocaust truly pales in comparison.

You know what I mean.

Evidently not. The evidence points more towards you forgetting the Holocaust was a thing than anything else.

I see some fucking moron made death threats to Ajit Pai and his family over net neutrality.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/arti ... neutrality

Flutterlands-approved message.

[Kramanica]

Guess Americans are gonna have to start smuggling memes to Europeans.

Why so snarky and sarcastic? Why is there never genuine outrage when governments pull shit like this?

1. I'm not European. This doesn't affect me. I actually have a First Amendment.
2. What else is there to do? Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Europe is lurching more and more towards authoritarianism as a way to try and suppress the nationalist and right-wing tendencies that have led to things like Brexit and Italy's populist government. It's sad and won't end well. But unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it except laugh.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Why so snarky and sarcastic? Why is there never genuine outrage when governments pull shit like this?

1. I'm not European. This doesn't affect me. I actually have a First Amendment.
2. What else is there to do? Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Europe is lurching more and more towards authoritarianism as a way to try and suppress the nationalist and right-wing tendencies that have led to things like Brexit and Italy's populist government. It's sad and won't end well. But unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it except laugh.

You can try crying at the same time too.

[Eclius]

Why so snarky and sarcastic? Why is there never genuine outrage when governments pull shit like this?

1. I'm not European. This doesn't affect me. I actually have a First Amendment.
2. What else is there to do? Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Europe is lurching more and more towards authoritarianism as a way to try and suppress the nationalist and right-wing tendencies that have led to things like Brexit and Italy's populist government. It's sad and won't end well. But unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it except laugh.

US just lost net neutrality, if I were you I'd be worried. After all, Article 13 could serve as a potential precedent or a frame for whatever Ajit Pai can come up with.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

1. I'm not European. This doesn't affect me. I actually have a First Amendment.
2. What else is there to do? Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Europe is lurching more and more towards authoritarianism as a way to try and suppress the nationalist and right-wing tendencies that have led to things like Brexit and Italy's populist government. It's sad and won't end well. But unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it except laugh.

US just lost net neutrality, if I were you I'd be worried. After all, Article 13 could serve as a potential precedent or a frame for whatever Ajit Pai can come up with.

Nah, this is worse. At least we can still meme.

[Kramanica]

1. I'm not European. This doesn't affect me. I actually have a First Amendment.
2. What else is there to do? Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Europe is lurching more and more towards authoritarianism as a way to try and suppress the nationalist and right-wing tendencies that have led to things like Brexit and Italy's populist government. It's sad and won't end well. But unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it except laugh.

US just lost net neutrality, if I were you I'd be worried. After all, Article 13 could serve as a potential precedent or a frame for whatever Ajit Pai can come up with.

I don't see how the two are even tangentially related. Regardless of your feelings on net neutrality, what the US did aims to lessen government restrictions on the internet , while Article 13 aims to impose a shitton of them.

[Eclius]

US just lost net neutrality, if I were you I'd be worried. After all, Article 13 could serve as a potential precedent or a frame for whatever Ajit Pai can come up with.

I don't see how the two are even tangentially related. Regardless of your feelings on net neutrality, what the US did aims to lessen government restrictions on the internet , while Article 13 aims to impose a shitton of them.

The point, is that it could serve as a foundation and precedent for other countries like US, Canada, Australia, etc. To follow

[Estanglia]

I don't see how the two are even tangentially related. Regardless of your feelings on net neutrality, what the US did aims to lessen government restrictions on the internet , while Article 13 aims to impose a shitton of them.

The point, is that it could serve as a foundation and precedent for other countries like US, Canada, Australia, etc. To follow

If it passes without failure. I can't for the life of me remember the groups' name, but they're a group of MEP's who have put forward a petition to make the process of Article 13 becoming law more transparent, to then shut it down more effectively.

[Eclius]

Tbh, I am really pessimistic about this vote, something tells me the vote from JURI will likely reflect the parliamentary vote. Nonetheless, I hope it gets rejected.

[Triassica]

Tbh, I am really pessimistic about this vote, something tells me the vote from JURI will likely reflect the parliamentary vote. Nonetheless, I hope it gets rejected.

Good news, everyone! They actually rejected the proposal this time, to my own surprise. Glad to see Democracy still works.

[Freezic Vast]

Tbh, I am really pessimistic about this vote, something tells me the vote from JURI will likely reflect the parliamentary vote. Nonetheless, I hope it gets rejected.

Good news, everyone! They actually rejected the proposal this time, to my own surprise. Glad to see Democracy still works.

After all you've said over the past 11 pages, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[Triassica]

Good news, everyone! They actually rejected the proposal this time, to my own surprise. Glad to see Democracy still works.

After all you've said over the past 11 pages, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Well with all that is going on in Trump's America, my faith has been lacking...

[Freezic Vast]

After all you've said over the past 11 pages, I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Well with all that is going on in Trump's America, my faith has been lacking...

[Eclius]

Tbh, I am really pessimistic about this vote, something tells me the vote from JURI will likely reflect the parliamentary vote. Nonetheless, I hope it gets rejected.

Good news, everyone! They actually rejected the proposal this time, to my own surprise. Glad to see Democracy still works.

Yeah, just discovered that from Julia Reda's Facebook page. Indeed, and it's a good news.

[Stormwrath]

Article 13? Rejected? I did not expect that at all. This is actually great news.

Well, congrats to us for saving the Internet I guess. Back to creating memes to disappoint humanity.

[-Ocelot-]

Article 13? Rejected? I did not expect that at all. This is actually great news.

Well, congrats to us for saving the Internet I guess. Back to creating memes to disappoint humanity.

Rejected for the time being. It will come back in some other form. The corporations that want automated filters are still around and are still looking at how they will restrict internet content. We should remain vigilant.

[Eclius]

Article 13? Rejected? I did not expect that at all. This is actually great news.

Well, congrats to us for saving the Internet I guess. Back to creating memes to disappoint humanity.

Rejected for the time being. It will come back in some other form. The corporations that want automated filters are still around and are still looking at how they will restrict internet content. We should remain vigilant.

Indeed

[Estanglia]

Article 13? Rejected? I did not expect that at all. This is actually great news.

Well, congrats to us for saving the Internet I guess. Back to creating memes to disappoint humanity.

No one can control the memes.

On a more serious note, I'm glad article 13 is rejected.

[Vassenor]

Did anyone actually establish how a law with fair use protections bans memes?

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

I tried to put a "One does not simply ban memes" meme here but I couldn't post the image

Still, I'm super thankful they did not pass Article 13