Opting Opt of Taxes

[Nulla Bellum]

For SNAP benefits? 62% of them.

This is what we call a lie. In particular most SNAP recipients are employed.

Cuav.

[Genivaria]

This is what we call a lie. In particular most SNAP recipients are employed.

Cuav.

A right-wing opinion magazine or a research paper...hmm so hard to choose.

[Salandriagado]

Yeah, no. That's not the claim that we've made. You have specifically claimed that those benefits add up to more than $35,000/year (and also that you think that ability to use google translate to write fucking abysmal Japanese makes you look intelligent, apparently, but that one's clearly wrong). You have provided zero evidence of that, and until you do, it's bullshit.

Ulikuwa na matatizo ya kusoma Kiingereza. Kwa nini Google haiwezi kuunga mkono madai yako?

Because I haven't made a claim. I've just pointed out, repeatedly, that you haven't provided evidence to support yours.

[Salandriagado]

This is what we call a lie. In particular most SNAP recipients are employed.

Cuav.

Hmm, let's see, the Centre on Budget and Policy Priorities, or a shitty news outlet that doesn't name its sources? I wonder which one might be false?

[Nulla Bellum]

For SNAP benefits? 62% of them.

It's food stamps.

The sort of people who can't afford food aren't the most likely to have a job.

Not the point. The able-bodied receiving SNAP are required by law to work or enter job training after 3 months. This law isn't being enforced.

[USS Monitor]

Yeah, no. That's not the claim that we've made. You have specifically claimed that those benefits add up to more than $35,000/year (and also that you think that ability to use google translate to write fucking abysmal Japanese makes you look intelligent, apparently, but that one's clearly wrong). You have provided zero evidence of that, and until you do, it's bullshit.

Ulikuwa na matatizo ya kusoma Kiingereza. Kwa nini Google haiwezi kuunga mkono madai yako?

This is an English language forum and you were just warned by Lamoni for harassment, but chose to double down and continue being obnoxious.

*** 3 day ban for spam and continuing harassment ***

[Great Minarchistan]

Taxes are taxes for a reason, if you create an opt out system then you'll have revenue massively reduced. Around 55% of the taxpayers believe that the federal income tax they pay is fair, so we are talking about 45% that don't. Assuming that some 25% would not pay taxes and the other 20% would pay... half? of what they current pay, this would imply in an effective loss of 35% in revenue. Income taxes bring up 1800bn in revenue yearly, so it's a loss of 600 billion a year (implying a budget deficit twice as large). That's not to say of course about dangerous fluctuations that could happen through general lack of satisfaction due to political, social and economic factors, resulting on an uncertain source of revenue.

[Thermodolia]

Taxes are taxes for a reason, if you create an opt out system then you'll have revenue massively reduced. Around 55% of the taxpayers believe that the federal income tax they pay is fair, so we are talking about 45% that don't. Assuming that some 25% would not pay taxes and the other 20% would pay... half? of what they current pay, this would imply in an effective loss of 35% in revenue. Income taxes bring up 1800bn in revenue yearly, so it's a loss of 600 billion a year (implying a budget deficit twice as large). That's not to say of course about dangerous fluctuations that could happen through general lack of satisfaction due to political, social and economic factors, resulting on an uncertain source of revenue.

Which basically means that the nation is ripe for a dictatorship or a military coup

[Petrolheadia]

Generally speaking yes. However, there may be circumstances where the job costs more to maintain than its worth. Think of a single father with three kids, but the only job he can get is working at night, which means he has to hire someone to babysit.

That person who babysits is making at least as much as he is (minimum wage and all), so what have we accomplished?

A system that rewards sloth. Or at least makes stupid non-lethal.

If you think taking care of 2 kids on your own is sloth, and that escaping an abusive husband is stupid, I have no words for you.

Or I do, but they're all considered impolite.

[Isilanka]

A system that rewards sloth. Or at least makes stupid non-lethal.

If you think taking care of 2 kids on your own is sloth, and that escaping an abusive husband is stupid, I have no words for you.

Or I do, but they're all considered impolite.

No, you don't understand.
Anyone who doesn't earn at least a million dollars each year in an ideal job, doesn't date a super-model spouse and doesn't have a shiny retirement plan by the age of 30 is obviously lazy. Context, desires, viewpoints, random life problems don't matter. Only lazyness.

Seriously, fuck this neo-darwinian view of "helping people in need means rewarding sloth."
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