Another day, another burqa ban(in Denmark)

[Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol]

I don’t believe the state should prohibit anyone from wearing religious clothing in public. This includes the Burqa and Niqab. I see lot of arguing here about how bad or good Islam is, but frankly, I don’t give a damn about that. I’m a deist, I personally think Islam is founded on a fraud, just like EVERY religion that claims any divine revelation. But that is besides that point, If a women choices on here on free will to wear the face cover, than that it’s her choice. It does not matter if it offends you and your need for conservative conformity.

[Pilarcraft]

Because nobody wears Ski masks in public?
legislation always works as a reaction, you know. Legislators don't sit around and ask each other "so what if someone did wear ski masks? should we criminalize it now?"

And as has been established, almost nobody in Denmark wears a burqa in public, but it still apparently needs banning.

A Group of people do wear it, though. Fundementalist Muslims migrating from Middle East (coincidentally, also responsible for a number of violent crimes that end up leaving multiple people dead) who refuse to assimilate to the culture of the country they've migrated to.

[Ifreann]

I'm not suggesting that banning buqas will lead to banning all cloth.es. I'm pointing out that banning all clothes is the logical conclusion of your fear of people hiding bombs under a burqa.

... So what you're saying is that by accepting "the logical conclusion" of my fear, if every world leader is a rational actor, it will lead to banning all clothes?

No, I'm saying that if you want to ban burqas because someone could be hiding a bomb under them then logically you should equally want to ban all clothes, as they too could have bombs hidden under them.

Is that what you want?

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If it’s about women’s rights, what about those women who wish to wear a burqa? Isn’t Denmark hurting their rights by preventing them of excercising thst free choice?

There is no right to shackle oneself with a slave-collar.

I would be surprised if Denmark banned people from wearing collars or chokers.

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About as much as asking a favor from your manager so he speaks to the boss on your behalf is "slave inducing".

As for your repetitive mention of the veil of nuns, it is off-topic, were we talking about the hijab you might have a point but the Burqa is to it what an heavy ball is to an ankle chain.

It really isn’t. Some can consider a veil a slave collar. It’s quite relevant.

The bra is a male-imposed shackle, a slave collar for the bosom. Ban the bra!

[Auze]

That doesn't answer my question.

Except it does, killing Homosexuals was part of Fundamentalist Christianity, but then the law started protecting people's right to exist and it became harder and harder to do such a thing, eventually the gay hating Christians were forced to settle with simply insulting and harassing gay people instead of killing them.

Basically if the law makes it difficult to practice an oppressive aspect of your culture it becomes harder to continue said cultural practices.

Killing Homosexuals was standard practice no matter the religion or lack thereof, to the point that Thomas
Jefferson was being liberal when he tried changing it to castration. Bit of a False Cause fallacy.

[Knask]

Because we all know they aren't worth defending. Could we even call them human?

Isn't it funny how these terms work so interchangably?

Not really, Jews aren't exactly running around chopping people's heads off, running people over, throwing Homosexuals off rooftops, shooting up places, and crashing planes into buildings.

Nor are they moving into the West trying to demand everyone conform to their religion and demanding everyone ban any criticism of their religion... well to be fair Israel tries to do that in the US (It's apparently illegal to boycott Israeli businesses) but they're pretty authoritarian themselves.

So yeah why should I support a culture that wants to kill or control me?

Can you answer that Knask?

It's unfortunate that culture and people are the same thing. It's also unfortunate that (Islamic) culture is identical all over the world, with no regional changes whatsoever. It's why the Islamic world is so incredible peaceful, since they're all the same and all of them are focused on killing and controlling you. Just like the jews.

[Alvecia]

Not really, Jews aren't exactly running around chopping people's heads off, running people over, throwing Homosexuals off rooftops, shooting up places, and crashing planes into buildings.

Nor are they moving into the West trying to demand everyone conform to their religion and demanding everyone ban any criticism of their religion... well to be fair Israel tries to do that in the US (It's apparently illegal to boycott Israeli businesses) but they're pretty authoritarian themselves.

So yeah why should I support a culture that wants to kill or control me?

Can you answer that Knask?

It's unfortunate that culture and people are the same thing. It's also unfortunate that (Islamic) culture is identical all over the world, with no regional changes whatsoever. It's why the Islamic world is so incredible peaceful, since they're all the same and all of them are focused on killing and controlling you. Just like the jews.

Islaminati vs Jew World Order

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Because nobody wears Ski masks in public?
legislation always works as a reaction, you know. Legislators don't sit around and ask each other "so what if someone did wear ski masks? should we criminalize it now?"

And as has been established, almost nobody in Denmark wears a burqa in public,

Almost nobody means somebody.

They could just wear hijabs.

[Digital Planets]

There's so many burqas being banned they could become refugees and make their own country.

I think Sweden would be a great name for it.

[The Alma Mater]

And as has been established, almost nobody in Denmark wears a burqa in public,

Almost nobody means somebody.

They could just wear hijabs.

They could also just tell men to learn some self-control.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Almost nobody means somebody.

They could just wear hijabs.

They could also just tell men to learn some self-control.

The men could wear hijabs too.

[The Alma Mater]

They could also just tell men to learn some self-control.

The men could wear hijabs too.

Blindfolds would be more efficient.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Alright how about a law that says everybody must wear masks. Man, woman, non binary, refridgerator, Muslim, Christian, Jedi.... Everyone.

[Petrasylvania]

Alright how about a law that says everybody must wear masks. Man, woman, non binary, refridgerator, Muslim, Christian, Jedi.... Everyone.

[Genivaria]

> it comes from a culture of oppressing women
> but if they freely to choose to wear it

Pick one.

And then they get acid to the face.
'freely choose' indeed.

[Salandriagado]

Regulating what clothes people wear is as silly as ever.

[The Lone Alliance]

It's unfortunate that culture and people are the same thing.

And your point? Having good people doesn't magically make a bad culture good.

It's also unfortunate that (Islamic) culture is identical all over the world, with no regional changes whatsoever.

They're all identically oppressive, which is why the vast majority of Islamic dominated nations are repressive.

It's why the Islamic world is so incredible peaceful,

You're further supporting my views in that Islamic culture is horrifically violent because they all believe they should have the right to dominate everyone else, including each other. Yeah such a wonderful culture.

Isince they're all the same and all of them are focused on killing and controlling you.

Not just me, basically everyone, even a lot of so called "Moderate Muslims" believe that Islam should control everyone, hell even the Muslim Brotherhood even said the entire world should be united under Islam in the past.

IJust like the jews.

What's with your obsession with Jews? Cause really I can't see anything alike aside from being Abrahamic faiths.

> it comes from a culture of oppressing women
> but if they freely to choose to wear it

Pick one.

And then they get acid to the face.
'freely choose' indeed.

Accept their acid throwing ways as part of their culture you bigot!

[Petrasylvania]

So where in the Quran does it say women who don't cover their heads need to get acid thrown on their faces?

[Shamhnan Insir]

It's weird because you'd think the USA would be more socially conservative. On issues of freedom of speech and expression they're much better though. France had a burka ban, Switzerland banned minarets, and now Denmark is doing too. I understand that it comes from a culture of oppressing women, but if they freely choose to wear it should of course be allowed.

I get the free choice aspect, however if we are to move forward as society we need to drop the over protection we have of religions and stop treating them as a taboo subject.

[Sarcasteak]

This is never about religion, guys. In islam, burqa or niqab is not even needed. These are pure cultural clothing of the arabs. Islam only requires you to cover the hair, NOT the face. So I am in full support of Denmark's decision.

Wrong. Burqa/niqab are the most accurate type of hijab, and the most compliant to Islamic sources.

You are dead wrong. Niqab/burqa is purely cultural. Prove to me verses from Quran itself that says the need to hide your face like a ninja? Quran only states for you to cover all the parts EXCEPT face and your palm.

[Pilarcraft]

Wrong. Burqa/niqab are the most accurate type of hijab, and the most compliant to Islamic sources.

You are dead wrong. Niqab/burqa is purely cultural. Prove to me verses from Quran itself that says the need to hide your face like a ninja? Quran only states for you to cover all the parts EXCEPT face and your palm.

Technically it's only the Awratayn (Breasts, nether regions), and the lengths of your arms and legs, along with your hair... Damn, that is every part in your body.

[Herskerstad]

Somewhat related, Norway just passed bans for religious clothing covering the face in school, but really it's just a burka/niqab ban.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aust ... SKCN1J40X1

VIENNA (Reuters) - Austria’s right-wing government plans to shut seven mosques and could expel dozens of imams in what it said was “just the beginning” of a push against radical Islam and foreign funding of religious groups that Turkey condemned as racist.

The coalition government, an alliance of conservatives and the far right, came to power soon after Europe’s migration crisis on promises to prevent another influx and restrict benefits for new immigrants and refugees.

The moves follow a “law on Islam”, passed in 2015, which banned foreign funding of religious groups and created a duty for Muslim organizations to have “a positive fundamental view towards (Austria’s) state and society”.

“Political Islam’s parallel societies and radicalizing tendencies have no place in our country,” said Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, who, in a previous job as minister in charge of integration, steered the Islam bill into law.

Standing next to him and two other cabinet members on Friday, far-right Vice Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache told a news conference: “This is just the beginning.”

Austria, a country of 8.8 million people, has roughly 600,000 Muslim inhabitants, most of whom are Turkish or have families of Turkish origin.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan’s spokesman said the new policy was part of an “Islamophobic, racist and discriminatory wave” in Austria.

“The Austrian government’s ideologically charged practices are in violation of universal legal principles, social integration policies, minority rights and the ethics of co-existence,” Ibrahim Kalin tweeted.

The ministers at the news conference said up to 60 imams belonging to the Turkish-Islamic Union for Cultural and Social Cooperation in Austria (ATIB), a Muslim group close to the Turkish government, could be expelled from the country or have visas denied on the grounds of receiving foreign funding.

A government handout put the number at 40, of whom 11 were under review and two had already received a negative ruling.

ATIB spokesman Yasar Ersoy acknowledged that its imams were paid by Diyanet, the Turkish state religious authority, but it was trying to change that.

“We are currently working on having imams be paid from funds within the country,” he told ORF radio.

One organization that runs a mosque in Vienna and is influenced by the “Grey Wolves”, a Turkish nationalist youth group, will be shut down for operating illegally, as will an Arab Muslim group that runs at least six mosques, the government said in a statement.

[Ieskarios]

Good for Denmark.

[Vassenor]

Good for Denmark.

How so?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-austria-politics-islam/austria-to-shut-down-mosques-expel-foreign-funded-imams-idUSKCN1J40X1

VIENNA (Reuters) - Austria’s right-wing government plans to shut seven mosques and could expel dozens of imams in what it said was “just the beginning” of a push against radical Islam and foreign funding of religious groups that Turkey condemned as racist.

The coalition government, an alliance of conservatives and the far right, came to power soon after Europe’s migration crisis on promises to prevent another influx and restrict benefits for new immigrants and refugees.

The moves follow a “law on Islam”, passed in 2015, which banned foreign funding of religious groups and created a duty for Muslim organizations to have “a positive fundamental view towards (Austria’s) state and society”.

“Political Islam’s parallel societies and radicalizing tendencies have no place in our country,” said Chancellor Sebastian Kurz, who, in a previous job as minister in charge of integration, steered the Islam bill into law.

Standing next to him and two other cabinet members on Friday, far-right Vice Chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache told a news conference: “This is just the beginning.”

Austria, a country of 8.8 million people, has roughly 600,000 Muslim inhabitants, most of whom are Turkish or have families of Turkish origin.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan’s spokesman said the new policy was part of an “Islamophobic, racist and discriminatory wave” in Austria.

“The Austrian government’s ideologically charged practices are in violation of universal legal principles, social integration policies, minority rights and the ethics of co-existence,” Ibrahim Kalin tweeted.

The ministers at the news conference said up to 60 imams belonging to the Turkish-Islamic Union for Cultural and Social Cooperation in Austria (ATIB), a Muslim group close to the Turkish government, could be expelled from the country or have visas denied on the grounds of receiving foreign funding.

A government handout put the number at 40, of whom 11 were under review and two had already received a negative ruling.

ATIB spokesman Yasar Ersoy acknowledged that its imams were paid by Diyanet, the Turkish state religious authority, but it was trying to change that.

“We are currently working on having imams be paid from funds within the country,” he told ORF radio.

One organization that runs a mosque in Vienna and is influenced by the “Grey Wolves”, a Turkish nationalist youth group, will be shut down for operating illegally, as will an Arab Muslim group that runs at least six mosques, the government said in a statement.

-sigh-

[Ieskarios]

Good for Denmark.

How so?

Good for them, because I don't think a Christian (majority) country should have to bend itself backwards to appease Islamic citizens and immigrants. Denmark already wants to encourage use of the Danish language and participation in Christmas events to immigrant children, so why not also disallow Islamic garb?

As the old saying goes, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".