Another day, another burqa ban(in Denmark)

[The Lone Alliance]

When was the last time Gay Hating Christians were allowed to publicly Stone sodomites and legally get away with it?

That doesn't answer my question.

Except it does, killing Homosexuals was part of Fundamentalist Christianity, but then the law started protecting people's right to exist and it became harder and harder to do such a thing, eventually the gay hating Christians were forced to settle with simply insulting and harassing gay people instead of killing them.

Basically if the law makes it difficult to practice an oppressive aspect of your culture it becomes harder to continue said cultural practices.

[Manokan Republic]

So answer me this: How does banning religious dress actually fix anything about Islam?

Well silly, if we ban the dress, they can't practice Islam any more.

It's as simple as that. The thoughts in their head will disappear.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That doesn't answer my question.

Except it does, killing Homosexuals was part of Fundamentalist Christianity, but then the law started protecting people's right to exist and it became harder and harder to do such a thing, eventually the gay hating Christians were forced to settle with simply insulting and harassing gay people instead of killing them.

And it was the banning of cassocks and habits that caused this, right? Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out how this ties back to the question.

[Vassenor]

That doesn't answer my question.

Except it does, killing Homosexuals was part of Fundamentalist Christianity, but then the law started protecting people's right to exist and it became harder and harder to do such a thing, eventually the gay hating Christians were forced to settle with simply insulting and harassing gay people instead of killing them.

Basically if the law makes it difficult to practice an oppressive aspect of your culture it becomes harder to continue said cultural practices.

Because how people dress is clearly the most oppressive thing, rather than just the most visible thing.

[The Lone Alliance]

Except it does, killing Homosexuals was part of Fundamentalist Christianity, but then the law started protecting people's right to exist and it became harder and harder to do such a thing, eventually the gay hating Christians were forced to settle with simply insulting and harassing gay people instead of killing them.

And it was the banning of cassocks and habits that caused this, right? Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out how this ties back to the question.

See my edit.

Basically it won't fix Islam, but it'll make it hard for the Burqa to continue to exist in Denmark. Islam will still be Islam, but that one aspect of the culture will have a harder time flourishing.

Because how people dress is clearly the most oppressive thing, rather than just the most visible thing.

It's still a thing. It's still a loss for them.

[Manokan Republic]

That doesn't answer my question.

Except it does, killing Homosexuals was part of Fundamentalist Christianity, but then the law started protecting people's right to exist and it became harder and harder to do such a thing, eventually the gay hating Christians were forced to settle with simply insulting and harassing gay people instead of killing them.

Basically if the law makes it difficult to practice an oppressive aspect of your culture it becomes harder to continue said cultural practices.

Most Christians didn't want to kill homosexuals? Since when was it legal to do it in the U.S.? I mean like ever; and when were there large swaths of people trying to kill homosexuals? There are like 6 hate crime murders a year, and few are against homosexuals.

Also most Christians don't hate the gays, in fact the majority support gay marriage.

[United Muscovite Nations]

And it was the banning of cassocks and habits that caused this, right? Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out how this ties back to the question.

See my edit.

Basically it won't fix Islam, but it'll make it hard for the Burqa to continue to exist in Denmark. Islam will still be Islam, but that one aspect of the culture will have a harder time flourishing.

But then you have the issue of all the women who have said in interviews that they wear the Niqab out of choice. What of them?

[The Lone Alliance]

Most Christians didn't want to kill homosexuals? Since when was it legal to do it in the U.S.? I mean like ever; and when were there large swaths of people trying to kill homosexuals? There are like 6 hate crime murders a year, and few are against homosexuals.

Also most Christians don't hate the gays, in fact the majority support gay marriage.

And laws against Murder have kind of been on the books for centuries now. I'm not talking about modern history I'm talking about how it took centuries of time.

It took more than just social pressure to cause Christianity to reform and ease off on homosexuals, it also took laws oppressing their right to harm them. It'd be hard for gay people to get the rights and positions they had today if there were still legal ways to oppress them in the name of religion.

I support Carrot AND the stick. I don't believe just the carrot works.

But then you have the issue of all the women who have said in interviews that they wear the Niqab out of choice. What of them?

They can move to Saudi Arabia or one of the EU nations that haven't banned the Niqab, not like Denmark will be missing anything.

Or they can get fined and\or whatever consequences they have.

[Proctopeo]

Except it does, killing Homosexuals was part of Fundamentalist Christianity, but then the law started protecting people's right to exist and it became harder and harder to do such a thing, eventually the gay hating Christians were forced to settle with simply insulting and harassing gay people instead of killing them.

Basically if the law makes it difficult to practice an oppressive aspect of your culture it becomes harder to continue said cultural practices.

Because how people dress is clearly the most oppressive thing, rather than just the most visible thing.

Most of their most severely oppressive things are already illegal in the West.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Most Christians didn't want to kill homosexuals? Since when was it legal to do it in the U.S.? I mean like ever; and when were there large swaths of people trying to kill homosexuals? There are like 6 hate crime murders a year, and few are against homosexuals.

Also most Christians don't hate the gays, in fact the majority support gay marriage.

And laws against Murder have kind of been on the books for centuries now. I'm not talking about modern history I'm talking about how it took centuries of time.

It took more than just social pressure to cause Christianity to reform and ease off on homosexuals, it also took laws oppressing their right to harm them. It'd be hard for gay people to get the rights and positions they had today if there were still legal ways to oppress them in the name of religion.

I support Carrot AND the stick. I don't believe just the carrot works.

But then you have the issue of all the women who have said in interviews that they wear the Niqab out of choice. What of them?

They can move to Saudi Arabia or one of the EU nations that haven't banned the Niqab, not like Denmark will be missing anything.

Or they can get fined and\or whatever consequences they have.

Let me get this straight. If it’s about women’s rights (as Denmark insists on calling this ban), and these women are choosing to wear the niqab out of their own free will, how is banning this garment upholding their rights?

[Kramanica]

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Because clearly me supporting the far right conservatives would make more sense.

Nice strawman you deliberately constructed to dodge the point.

Please take a trip to the Middle East and start shouting that you're trans and Hufflepuff and proud.

If you aren't killed by that ten-story drop let me know how it goes.

[Kramanica]

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

So it's hillarious that a trans person can defend freedom of religion, and are able to know that Islam has a wide variety of differences and nuance, is that what you're saying?

Or are you saying that it's funny that Vass would be in more immediate danger setting foot in certain red states in the US than in Iran or Malaysia?

I don't know, but either way I sure am laughing ayour funny observation.

Well, views in the Muslim world toward trans people aren't really kind so yeah I do find it funny.

[The Lone Alliance]

Let me get this straight. If it’s about women’s rights (as Denmark insists on calling this ban), and these women are choosing to wear the niqab out of their own free will, how is banning this garment upholding their rights?

It'll encourage them to leave Denmark, which will collectively cause women's right to improve the moment the last one of them crosses the border. If they want to oppress themselves they can do it in another country

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Let me get this straight. If it’s about women’s rights (as Denmark insists on calling this ban), and these women are choosing to wear the niqab out of their own free will, how is banning this garment upholding their rights?

It'll encourage them to leave Denmark, which will collective cause women's right to improve the moment the last one of them crosses the border.

I don’t see the logic here when you’re championing women’s rights in your country and yet deny these women the right to wear the burqa or niqab when they’ve expressed that that’s their choice. And then wish them to leave.

This was never about women’s rights.

[The Lone Alliance]

It'll encourage them to leave Denmark, which will collective cause women's right to improve the moment the last one of them crosses the border.

I don’t see the logic here when you’re championing women’s rights in your country and yet deny these women the right to wear the burqa or niqab when they’ve expressed that that’s their choice. And then wish them to leave.

This was never about women’s rights.

I'm not the Danish government though, you can't really proscribe my views to the Danish government's, maybe that's where you're confused.

[Geneviev]

It'll encourage them to leave Denmark, which will collective cause women's right to improve the moment the last one of them crosses the border.

I don’t see the logic here when you’re championing women’s rights in your country and yet deny these women the right to wear the burqa or niqab when they’ve expressed that that’s their choice. And then wish them to leave.

This was never about women’s rights.

Of course it wasn't about women's rights.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I don’t see the logic here when you’re championing women’s rights in your country and yet deny these women the right to wear the burqa or niqab when they’ve expressed that that’s their choice. And then wish them to leave.

This was never about women’s rights.

I'm not the Danish government.

Never said you were.

[The Lone Alliance]

Never said you were.

Fair. But honestly why should Denmark give a fuck about the tiny handful of women who get off wearing restrictive clothing or are brainwashed by their faith that they truly believe they have to wear it?

Do we allow naturalists to go around in public nude because they believe clothing gets in the way with their "Oneness with the earth" or whatever?

If a tiny fringe minority of women are disgruntled by this then sucks to be them. The women who are wearing those outfits only because their husbands or fathers are forcing them don't get a choice either, clearly to you those girls deserve their fate because "Some women like it".

There's the women's rights element, it's not about the women who choose to wear it, it's about the ones who are forced to wear it.

[Tebuh]

The world is a prison for the believers.

[Individual Thought Patterns]

Rather not.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I've always been torn on this. On the one hand they should be allowed to do as they wish. On the other hand wearing a mask is a great way to get away with crimes. If I walked around in a ski mask they would have guns pointed at me within thirty minutes.

[Vassenor]

I've always been torn on this. On the one hand they should be allowed to do as they wish. On the other hand wearing a mask is a great way to get away with crimes. If I walked around in a ski mask they would have guns pointed at me within thirty minutes.

So why is no-one pushing to ban ski masks?

[Pilarcraft]

I've always been torn on this. On the one hand they should be allowed to do as they wish. On the other hand wearing a mask is a great way to get away with crimes. If I walked around in a ski mask they would have guns pointed at me within thirty minutes.

So why is no-one pushing to ban ski masks?

Because nobody wears Ski masks in public?
legislation always works as a reaction, you know. Legislators don't sit around and ask each other "so what if someone did wear ski masks? should we criminalize it now?"

[Alvecia]

So why is no-one pushing to ban ski masks?

Because nobody wears Ski masks in public?
legislation always works as a reaction, you know. Legislators don't sit around and ask each other "so what if someone did wear ski masks? should we criminalize it now?"

And to be fair, even if it's not explicitly illegal, I think if someone did wander around wearing one, they'd be ask to either remove it, or prevented from entering the premises of several places.

[Vassenor]

So why is no-one pushing to ban ski masks?

Because nobody wears Ski masks in public?
legislation always works as a reaction, you know. Legislators don't sit around and ask each other "so what if someone did wear ski masks? should we criminalize it now?"

And as has been established, almost nobody in Denmark wears a burqa in public, but it still apparently needs banning.