Another day, another burqa ban(in Denmark)

[Solomons Land]

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[Knask]

Yes such a wonderful culture to continue to support and encourage. :nod: Funny to see all the so called Feminists on the site supporting such a thing... But some people on here would defend anything if it's a Muslim doing it.

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

So it's hillarious that a trans person can defend freedom of religion, and are able to know that Islam has a wide variety of differences and nuance, is that what you're saying?

Or are you saying that it's funny that Vass would be in more immediate danger setting foot in certain red states in the US than in Iran or Malaysia?

I don't know, but either way I sure am laughing ayour funny observation.

[Knask]

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Because they've been brainwashed to believe that defending Muslims Jews make them "Good People".

Because we all know they aren't worth defending. Could we even call them human?

Isn't it funny how these terms work so interchangably?

[The Lone Alliance]

Because they've been brainwashed to believe that defending Muslims Jews make them "Good People".

Because we all know they aren't worth defending. Could we even call them human?

Isn't it funny how these terms work so interchangably?

Not really, Jews aren't exactly running around chopping people's heads off, running people over, throwing Homosexuals off rooftops, shooting up places, and crashing planes into buildings.

Nor are they moving into the West trying to demand everyone conform to their religion and demanding everyone ban any criticism of their religion... well to be fair Israel tries to do that in the US (It's apparently illegal to boycott Israeli businesses) but they're pretty authoritarian themselves.

So yeah why should I support a culture that wants to kill or control me?

Can you answer that Knask?

[Shrillland]

Because we all know they aren't worth defending. Could we even call them human?

Isn't it funny how these terms work so interchangably?

Not really, Jews aren't exactly running around chopping people's heads off, running people over, throwing Homosexuals off rooftops, shooting up places, and crashing planes into buildings.

Nor are they moving into the West trying to demand everyone conform to their religion and demanding everyone ban any criticism of their religion... well to be fair Israel tries to do that in the US (It's apparently illegal to boycott Israeli businesses) but they're pretty authoritarian themselves.

So yeah why should I support a culture that wants to kill or control me?

Can you answer that Knask?

We're not saying you have to support a culture that wants you dead. No one in their right mind would support that. We're just saying that letting people do what they will so long as they don't harm others isn't the same as being forced to take off our own shoes and bow to Mecca five times a day.

[The Lone Alliance]

We're not saying you have to support a culture that wants you dead. No one in their right mind would support that. We're just saying that letting people do what they will so long as they don't harm others isn't the same as being forced to take off our own shoes and bow to Mecca five times a day.

Except Islamists believe that everyone eventually should be forced to take off their shoes and bow to Mecca five times a day.

That's why they're Islamists.

And it's a lie that they "Don't harm others".

[Western Vale Confederacy]

We're not saying you have to support a culture that wants you dead. No one in their right mind would support that. We're just saying that letting people do what they will so long as they don't harm others isn't the same as being forced to take off our own shoes and bow to Mecca five times a day.

Except Islamists believe that everyone eventually should be forced to take off their shoes and bow to Mecca five times a day.

That's why they're Islamists.

Such people would be wrapped with every single page of our legal code, given a good ol' boot on the arse and straight out the door, then.

[Shrillland]

We're not saying you have to support a culture that wants you dead. No one in their right mind would support that. We're just saying that letting people do what they will so long as they don't harm others isn't the same as being forced to take off our own shoes and bow to Mecca five times a day.

Except Islamists believe that everyone eventually should be forced to take off their shoes and bow to Mecca five times a day.

That's why they're Islamists.

And it's a lie that they "Don't harm others".

Of course Islamists believe that, but I'm talking about Muslims in general. There are over 200,000 Muslims in Denmark today, you can't seriously say that all of them are Islamists, or even all of the subset that wear a niqab or a burqa are. You could say that they're conservative Muslims that have values different from ours, but that can be dealt with without resorting to the law,

[The Lone Alliance]

Except Islamists believe that everyone eventually should be forced to take off their shoes and bow to Mecca five times a day.

That's why they're Islamists.

Such people would be wrapped with every single page of our legal code, given a good ol' boot on the arse and straight out the door, then.

They aren't though, many Wahhabist organizations operate openly in the West unchecked, because the powers that be don't really care what the Muslims are doing and because Saudi Arabia is supposed to be an ally.

Of course Islamists believe that, but I'm talking about Muslims in general. There are over 200,000 Muslims in Denmark today, you can't seriously say that all of them are Islamists, or even all of the subset that wear a niqab or a burqa are. You could say that they're conservative Muslims that have values different from ours, but that can be dealt with without resorting to the law,

And this law won't affect the vast majority of those 200,000 Muslims.

And how do you deal with Conservative Muslims?

[Vassenor]

Yes such a wonderful culture to continue to support and encourage. :nod: Funny to see all the so called Feminists on the site supporting such a thing... But some people on here would defend anything if it's a Muslim doing it.

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Because clearly me supporting the far right conservatives would make more sense.

[The Lone Alliance]

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Because clearly me supporting the far right conservatives would make more sense.

False Dilemma, you have more than two choices here.

You could sit back and let the two sides waste all their time beating each other up so they don't have any time to harass you.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Because clearly me supporting the far right conservatives would make more sense.

My primary quarrel with you is that you NEVER criticize or question Islam or its often outdated beliefs/morals, and indulge in a f*ck ton of whataboutism.

[Vassenor]

Because clearly me supporting the far right conservatives would make more sense.

My primary quarrel with you is that you NEVER criticize or question Islam or its often outdated beliefs/morals, and indulge in a f*ck ton of whataboutism.

"I've never seen you do this so you never do it"

[Proctopeo]

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Because clearly me supporting the far right conservatives would make more sense.

But that's literally what you're doing

[Shrillland]

Such people would be wrapped with every single page of our legal code, given a good ol' boot on the arse and straight out the door, then.

They aren't though, many Wahhabist organizations operate openly in the West unchecked, because the powers that be don't really care what the Muslims are doing and because Saudi Arabia is supposed to be an ally.

Of course Islamists believe that, but I'm talking about Muslims in general. There are over 200,000 Muslims in Denmark today, you can't seriously say that all of them are Islamists, or even all of the subset that wear a niqab or a burqa are. You could say that they're conservative Muslims that have values different from ours, but that can be dealt with without resorting to the law,

And this law won't affect the vast majority of those 200,000 Muslims.

And how do you deal with Conservative Muslims?

Openness and communication. Encouraging change from within, not demanding it from without. Yes, it's a sound bite, but even sound bites can be right sometimes. Conservative Muslims are merely devout, not trying to force everyone else to do what they say, and merely devout people can be talked to and accepted.

[Vassenor]

Also when did I become the subject of this thread anyway?

[Proctopeo]

Also when did I become the subject of this thread anyway?

You're not the subject of the thread. You're the subject of one specific line of discussion within the thread.

[Manokan Republic]

I'm against this, because I support freedom of religion and expression, and something like this is just going to piss people off rather than "cure" superstitious beliefs about woman. You won't get rid of Islamic cultural perceptions that woman need to cover up by passing a law, you'll just anger a lot of people, and many Islamic woman will just not go outside now all together, making things worse for them. Some things ought to be handled culturally or socially and not via government control. When you actually believe you can legislate how other people think, something is wrong with your government. This is bound to fail miserably.

As for the U.S. being more "conservative" and conservatives automatically being oppressive... the conservatives tend to believe in things like the constitution and liberty and so naturally they'd oppose stuff like this, restrictions on freedom of speech and so on. It's the left-wing view that conservatives are tah debilsz, not really the case in reality. This coming from a moderate, and not a conservative who finds the constant hatred of the right pretty ridiculous at this point.

[The Lone Alliance]

Openness and communication. Encouraging change from within, not demanding it from without. Yes, it's a sound bite, but even sound bites can be right sometimes. Conservative Muslims are merely devout, not trying to force everyone else to do what they say, and merely devout people can be talked to and accepted.

That hasn't even worked on Conservative Christians and you expect it to Work on Conservative Muslims?

[Vassenor]

So answer me this: How does banning religious dress actually fix anything about Islam?

[United Muscovite Nations]

They aren't though, many Wahhabist organizations operate openly in the West unchecked, because the powers that be don't really care what the Muslims are doing and because Saudi Arabia is supposed to be an ally.

And this law won't affect the vast majority of those 200,000 Muslims.

And how do you deal with Conservative Muslims?

Openness and communication. Encouraging change from within, not demanding it from without. Yes, it's a sound bite, but even sound bites can be right sometimes. Conservative Muslims are merely devout, not trying to force everyone else to do what they say, and merely devout people can be talked to and accepted.

I would disagree. Conservative Muslims should be left alone and allowed to practice their faith as they please as long as it doesn't harm others.

[Shrillland]

I'm against this, because I support freedom of religion and expression, and something like this is just going to piss people off rather than "cure" superstitious beliefs about woman. You won't get rid of Islamic cultural perceptions that woman need to cover up by passing a law, you'll just anger a lot of people, and many Islamic woman will just not go outside now all together, making things worse for them. Some things ought to be handled culturally or socially and not via government control. When you actually believe you can legislate how other people think, something is wrong with your government. This is bound to fail miserably.

As for the U.S. being more "conservative" and conservatives automatically being oppressive... the conservatives tend to believe in things like the constitution and liberty and so naturally they'd oppose stuff like this, restrictions on freedom of speech and so on. It's the left-wing view that conservatives are tah debilsz, not really the case in reality. This coming from a moderate, and not a conservative who finds the constant hatred of the right pretty ridiculous at this point.

This isn't about US conservatives, this is about Danish ones, and the DF's founder is quoted as saying she didn't "want Denmark as a multiethnic, multicultural society" over 20 years ago. It was their members that brought this bill up, and it was mostly government MPs from thr DF and Venstre that voted for it...and very few others since 40% of the house was absent when this was decided.

[Shrillland]

Openness and communication. Encouraging change from within, not demanding it from without. Yes, it's a sound bite, but even sound bites can be right sometimes. Conservative Muslims are merely devout, not trying to force everyone else to do what they say, and merely devout people can be talked to and accepted.

I would disagree. Conservative Muslims should be left alone and allowed to practice their faith as they please as long as it doesn't harm others.

Well, yes, but I didn't think LA would take that answer.

[The Lone Alliance]

So answer me this: How does banning religious dress actually fix anything about Islam?

When was the last time Gay Hating Christians were allowed to publicly Stone sodomites and legally get away with it?

Well, yes, but I didn't think LA would take that answer.

You'd be right because I don't believe Conservative Muslims "Don't harm others" because even at the very least they harm each other.

[Vassenor]

So answer me this: How does banning religious dress actually fix anything about Islam?

When was the last time Gay Hating Christians were allowed to publicly Stone sodomites and legally get away with it?

That doesn't answer my question.