Another day, another burqa ban(in Denmark)

[Mystic Warriors]

I am very secular myself, I am ok with this.

[Knask]

Baby steps. Allow the burqa, that way they can go out and then you can educate them and work towards integration. Forcing our ways of life won’t achieve anything but isolate.

And what if they categorically refuse to integrate despite genuine efforts, eh?

There should be no tolerance for introverts or people who view society differently than I do.

[Aellex]

I have to apologize to you. I think I confused you with someone else. Sorry. Also, I can’t find that thread, and I know we had it.

No problem. To be fair, I do remember posting on that thread (tho after searching I can't find it neither) but while I've a rather vocal dislike of Islam, especially of the more fundamentalist part of it, I still think that people should be allowed to practice it freely and view as rather disgusting the idea of forcing them to break alimentary taboos just for the sake of pettiness.

[The Alma Mater]

Instituting a national dress code isn't making oppression illegal.

The burqa and niqab are symbols of oppression.

Technically the burqa is a symbol of arrogance. It conveys "I am so hot that seeing me would give men lustful thoughts and desires they cannot control, so I have to cover myself"

While you can certainly dislike the "men are inherently rapists and therefor we must not provoke them" implication it is not exactly oppressive.

[Pilarcraft]

The burqa and niqab are symbols of oppression.

Technically the burqa is a symbol of arrogance. It conveys "I am so hot that seeing me would give men lustful thoughts and desires they cannot control, so I have to cover myself"

While you can certainly dislike the "men are inherently rapists and therefor we must not provoke them" implication it is not exactly oppressive.

Technically, the burqa is a symbol of oppression, because as explained before, it belongs to a time when women had no agency or autonomy, and were essentially traded as broodmares between families, and was used to 'wrap up' the broodmare in question until her husband could get his hands to him.
I mean, sure, the modern approach (which, in truth, came after those pesky westerners infected our lands with stupid ideas like 'women are equal to men') as a modern rationalization of Hijab, and Burqa in general, is a nice sentiment, but it is not exactly what the Burqa was supposed to be.

[Risottia]

To be fair, being able to facially ID more people would be helpful to the police... It's also an invasion of privacy.

Privacy applies on private premises, not on the public street or on premises open to the public.
You now, number plates on cars are an invasion of privacy, too.

[Trumptonium1]

https://www.thelocal.it/20160817/italy-rules-out-burkini-ban-and-wants-home-trained-imams

https://www.thelocal.es/20160818/we-won ... lona-spain

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/verb ... -1.3120807

Not a single part of the Sud Deutsche link shows Germany rejecting a ban. Try again.

Given that you have replied here multiple times after I quoted you to say your link does not say remotely what you think it does, I ask again, Vassenor, where is the proof that "Spain, Germany and Italy formally rejected [the burqa ban]"??

Or is this yet another one of your false claims you hope will wither away behind pages of crap?

[Sarcasteak]

This is never about religion, guys. In islam, burqa or niqab is not even needed. These are pure cultural clothing of the arabs. Islam only requires you to cover the hair, NOT the face. So I am in full support of Denmark's decision.

[Aulus Maximus]

This is never about religion, guys. In islam, burqa or niqab is not even needed. These are pure cultural clothing of the arabs. Islam only requires you to cover the hair, NOT the face. So I am in full support of Denmark's decision.

Not only the hair. Awrah is generally from the shoulder to the knees.

[Pilarcraft]

This is never about religion, guys. In islam, burqa or niqab is not even needed. These are pure cultural clothing of the arabs. Islam only requires you to cover the hair, NOT the face. So I am in full support of Denmark's decision.

Not only the hair. Awrah is generally from the shoulder to the knees.

Which can be covered with like, most types of clothing (with long sleeves, at least). So, as long as they don't wear shorts or sleeveless/short-sleeved shirts, and cover their hair, they're fine. At least, according to most sources.

[Aulus Maximus]

Not only the hair. Awrah is generally from the shoulder to the knees.

Which can be covered with like, most types of clothing (with long sleeves, at least). So, as long as they don't wear shorts or sleeveless/short-sleeved shirts, and cover their hair, they're fine. At least, according to most sources.

And loose fitting clothes as well.

[United States of Oceania]

This is never about religion, guys. In islam, burqa or niqab is not even needed. These are pure cultural clothing of the arabs. Islam only requires you to cover the hair, NOT the face. So I am in full support of Denmark's decision.

Wrong. Burqa/niqab are the most accurate type of hijab, and the most compliant to Islamic sources.

[Pilarcraft]

Which can be covered with like, most types of clothing (with long sleeves, at least). So, as long as they don't wear shorts or sleeveless/short-sleeved shirts, and cover their hair, they're fine. At least, according to most sources.

And loose fitting clothes as well.

Hey, Denmark (in particular) is a Scandinavian Country. The average temperature is somewhere below room temprature. It's not like they're gonna wear tight clothes or shorts anyway

[Vassenor]

This is never about religion, guys. In islam, burqa or niqab is not even needed. These are pure cultural clothing of the arabs. Islam only requires you to cover the hair, NOT the face. So I am in full support of Denmark's decision.

"We're not actually trampling on your freedom because you have other options" doesn't strike me as good logic.

[Geneviev]

This is never about religion, guys. In islam, burqa or niqab is not even needed. These are pure cultural clothing of the arabs. Islam only requires you to cover the hair, NOT the face. So I am in full support of Denmark's decision.

It really is about religion, even if not everyone sees it that way.

[The Lone Alliance]

Technically the burqa is a symbol of arrogance. It conveys "I am so hot that seeing me would give men lustful thoughts and desires they cannot control, so I have to cover myself"

While you can certainly dislike the "men are inherently rapists and therefor we must not provoke them" implication it is not exactly oppressive.

Technically, the burqa is a symbol of oppression, because as explained before, it belongs to a time when women had no agency or autonomy, and were essentially traded as broodmares between families, and was used to 'wrap up' the broodmare in question until her husband could get his hands to him.
I mean, sure, the modern approach (which, in truth, came after those pesky westerners infected our lands with stupid ideas like 'women are equal to men') as a modern rationalization of Hijab, and Burqa in general, is a nice sentiment, but it is not exactly what the Burqa was supposed to be.

Yes such a wonderful culture to continue to support and encourage. :nod: Funny to see all the so called Feminists on the site supporting such a thing... But some people on here would defend anything if it's a Muslim doing it.

[Kramanica]

Technically, the burqa is a symbol of oppression, because as explained before, it belongs to a time when women had no agency or autonomy, and were essentially traded as broodmares between families, and was used to 'wrap up' the broodmare in question until her husband could get his hands to him.
I mean, sure, the modern approach (which, in truth, came after those pesky westerners infected our lands with stupid ideas like 'women are equal to men') as a modern rationalization of Hijab, and Burqa in general, is a nice sentiment, but it is not exactly what the Burqa was supposed to be.

Yes such a wonderful culture to continue to support and encourage. :nod: Funny to see all the so called Feminists on the site supporting such a thing... But some people on here would defend anything if it's a Muslim doing it.

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Yes such a wonderful culture to continue to support and encourage. :nod: Funny to see all the so called Feminists on the site supporting such a thing... But some people on here would defend anything if it's a Muslim doing it.

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Doesn't Iran ironically have one of the largest sex change surgery programs in the world, though?

I'm not defending Islam here, but it makes one wonder.

[Geneviev]

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Doesn't Iran ironically have one of the largest sex change surgery programs in the world, though?

I'm not defending Islam here, but it makes one wonder.

Islam is more okay with transgender than gay.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Doesn't Iran ironically have one of the largest sex change surgery programs in the world, though?

I'm not defending Islam here, but it makes one wonder.

Islam is more okay with transgender than gay.

Indeed, which is rather odd for such a fundamentalist Islamic country.

That said, it would be the exception, not the norm.

[Geneviev]

Islam is more okay with transgender than gay.

Indeed, which is rather odd for such a fundamentalist Islamic country.

That said, it would be the exception, not the norm.

In regards to trans issues, the whole religion is better than it is with sexuality. So it's not odd.

[Kramanica]

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Doesn't Iran ironically have one of the largest sex change surgery programs in the world, though?

I'm not defending Islam here, but it makes one wonder.

Yes. Iran is an odd specimen. They embrace transgenders but violently oppose gays.

Can't remember the exact reason. I think it has something to do with the fact that if they change gays to the opposite sex then they can claim they aren't gay anymore.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Indeed, which is rather odd for such a fundamentalist Islamic country.

That said, it would be the exception, not the norm.

In regards to trans issues, the whole religion is better than it is with sexuality. So it's not odd.

Don't get your hopes too high though, there is still a lot of harassment towards transgender people in Iran.

[Novum Imperium Atlanticum]

These are people who delibaretely choose to isolate themselves and by wearing a burqa/niqab you choose not to participate in daily life and have face to face dealings with others. Exactly the act of wearing it excludes women from attending college and participating in any workplace, thereby isolating themselves even further and making them dependent on (unnecessary) welfare and/or their husband's income. Unnecessarily so, as in the Western world they too could follow an education and get a job but because they wear the niqab, they become a drain on a nation's financial resources. In all, it's a symbol of oppression towards women, regardless whether they choose to wear it voluntarily ot not. By wearing it they are actively venting out their beliefs which ought to have no place in a secular society. It is just another example of how Islam just refuses and/or fails to integrate within Western society as a whole. In all, I'm all for the ban. It is a tool in the hands of those who seek to oppress their womenfolk and no amount of excuses or "they wear it of their own volition" chain of reasoning can change my mind. Just my two cents. Agree with it or not. I don't care either way.

[The Lone Alliance]

Yes such a wonderful culture to continue to support and encourage. :nod: Funny to see all the so called Feminists on the site supporting such a thing... But some people on here would defend anything if it's a Muslim doing it.

You think that's funny? Vass is a vehement defender of Islam, even though as a trans person she most likely would have been thrown off the nearest roof the moment she stepped foot in any Muslim country.

It's like trees supporting deforestation.

Because they've been brainwashed to believe that defending Muslims make them "Good People".

Agree with it or not. I don't care either way.

Here here, why should anyone give a fuck about what Radical Muslim apologists say?