Another day, another burqa ban(in Denmark)

[Proctopeo]

I said that her opinion seemed to summarize as "don't make oppression illegal"

Seems a little backwards, and she didn't explain why it would have a negative impact on integration.

Instituting a national dress code isn't making oppression illegal.

The burqa and niqab are symbols of oppression.

Remember, if your father makes you cover your entire head in fabric, you're liberated

Someone already provided a link proving that several women who wear the Niqab are doing so out of choice.

Several?!? What a massive number encompassing every Muslim woman in the world.

[Vassenor]

Three people is an ethnicity?

Turks, Pakistanis, Moroccans, Arabs, etc., whether or not they wear traditional religious clothing, would be better off if they could be in their native lands and not have to worry about certain countries treating them like a bombing range.

Or we could accept that people have the right to live wherever they choose.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Three people is an ethnicity?

Turks, Pakistanis, Moroccans, Arabs, etc., whether or not they wear traditional religious clothing, would be better off if they could be in their native lands and not have to worry about certain countries treating them like a bombing range.

This is certainly partly true, but the Arabs must be united under their traditions rather than in petty kingdoms and republics. There must be an Arab state from Morocco to the Persian Gulf.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Instituting a national dress code isn't making oppression illegal.

The burqa and niqab are symbols of oppression.

Someone already provided a link proving that several women who wear the Niqab are doing so out of choice.

Several?!? What a massive number encompassing every Muslim woman in the world.

I wasn't aware every Muslim woman in the world lived in Denmark.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

She’s Muslim. Not to mention that no, she never asked for oppression to be made illegal.

I said that her opinion seemed to summarize as "don't make oppression illegal"

She stated very well that instead of seeking to make this into a woman’s rights thing, to see why it could cause problems with integration.

Seems a little backwards, and she didn't explain why it would have a negative impact on integration.

It’s not hard to see. If the burqa is the only reason you can go out of the house, what happens when that is taken? These women won’t be allowed to leave the house. What happens when you’re forced to stay home? Can you integrate? Moreover, it can be seen as an attack on the values of their religion by the society of their new home country. How willing to integrate would you be, if that’s how you saw this ban?

[Lamur]

The burka as women's liberation has to be the single worst meme of this century.

Policing women's clothing as women's liberation has to be the single worst meme of this century.

Muslim women wear burka to show their devotion to a patriarchal all-powerful god who tells you need to hide your skin and hair if you are a woman. In what sense is that feminism when you worship that kind of god and feel you need to cover up to please him?? Allah is the clothing police here.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Policing women's clothing as women's liberation has to be the single worst meme of this century.

Muslim women wear burka to show their devotion to a patriarchal all-powerful god who tells you need to hide your skin and hair if you are a woman. In what sense is that feminism when you worship that kind of god and feel you need to cover up to please him??

If that was really the issue, they'd have also banned Catholic nunneries.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I said that her opinion seemed to summarize as "don't make oppression illegal"

Seems a little backwards, and she didn't explain why it would have a negative impact on integration.

It’s not hard to see. If the burqa is the only reason you can go out of the house, what happens when that is taken? These women won’t be allowed to leave the house. What happens when you’re forced to stay home? Can you integrate? Moreover, it can be seen as an attack on the values of their religion by the society of their new home country. How willing to integrate would you be, if that’s how you saw this ban?

The simple fact that they believe that they cannot leave the house without their burqa is a testament to the oppression behind said piece of clothing.

[Thyrgga]

Turks, Pakistanis, Moroccans, Arabs, etc., whether or not they wear traditional religious clothing, would be better off if they could be in their native lands and not have to worry about certain countries treating them like a bombing range.

This is certainly partly true, but the Arabs must be united under their traditions rather than in petty kingdoms and republics. There must be an Arab state from Morocco to the Persian Gulf.

Maybe they could get that going if the endless nonsensical wars about supposed "chemical weapons", or other manufactured atrocities could end. I'm sure the US taxpayers would appreciate it if they could pay less taxes and not have to fight wars in the middle east that don't even benefit them in the slightest.

[Proctopeo]

The burqa and niqab are symbols of oppression.


Several?!? What a massive number encompassing every Muslim woman in the world.

I wasn't aware every Muslim woman in the world lived in Denmark.

I was being hyperbolic, obviously.

I said that her opinion seemed to summarize as "don't make oppression illegal"

Seems a little backwards, and she didn't explain why it would have a negative impact on integration.

It’s not hard to see. If the burqa is the only reason you can go out of the house, what happens when that is taken? These women won’t be allowed to leave the house. What happens when you’re forced to stay home? Can you integrate? Moreover, it can be seen as an attack on the values of their religion by the society of their new home country. How willing to integrate would you be, if that’s how you saw this ban?

Maybe it's because the values of the religion and the values of the new home country go together as well as bleach and ammonia? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[United Muscovite Nations]

I said that her opinion seemed to summarize as "don't make oppression illegal"

Seems a little backwards, and she didn't explain why it would have a negative impact on integration.

It’s not hard to see. If the burqa is the only reason you can go out of the house, what happens when that is taken? These women won’t be allowed to leave the house. What happens when you’re forced to stay home? Can you integrate? Moreover, it can be seen as an attack on the values of their religion by the society of their new home country. How willing to integrate would you be, if that’s how you saw this ban?

That's precisely the goal though. Having effectively eradicated Christianity as a major religion, the liberal West will not be satisfied until it has eradicated all religion from its shores.

[Thyrgga]

Turks, Pakistanis, Moroccans, Arabs, etc., whether or not they wear traditional religious clothing, would be better off if they could be in their native lands and not have to worry about certain countries treating them like a bombing range.

Or we could accept that people have the right to live wherever they choose.

You can't just find any place and call it home. There's a such thing as property. People don't have the right to live anywhere.

[Vassenor]

I'm kind of reminded of K-2SO by all this.

"Congratulations: you are being rescued. Please do not resist."

[Proctopeo]

Or we could accept that people have the right to live wherever they choose.

You can't just find any place and call it home. There's a such thing as property. People don't have the right to live anywhere.

I claim the Bundestag as my property and I declare myself Kaiser.

[Vassenor]

Or we could accept that people have the right to live wherever they choose.

You can't just find any place and call it home. There's a such thing as property. People don't have the right to live anywhere.

And if someone purchases property in a given country do they not have the right to live there?

[Geneviev]

I'm kind of reminded of K-2SO by all this.

"Congratulations: you are being rescued. Please do not resist."

I'm more reminded of my school uniform.

"For your own safety, your skirt absolutely must be longer, even if you can't help growing."

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It’s not hard to see. If the burqa is the only reason you can go out of the house, what happens when that is taken? These women won’t be allowed to leave the house. What happens when you’re forced to stay home? Can you integrate? Moreover, it can be seen as an attack on the values of their religion by the society of their new home country. How willing to integrate would you be, if that’s how you saw this ban?

That's precisely the goal though. Having effectively eradicated Christianity as a major religion, the liberal West will not be satisfied until it has eradicated all religion from its shores.

Then we should not be surprised if we keep getting bombed and having vans/vehicles run into groups of innocent people.

[Thyrgga]

You can't just find any place and call it home. There's a such thing as property. People don't have the right to live anywhere.

And if someone purchases property in a given country do they not have the right to live there?

Not everyone has the right to migrate to any other country.

[Proctopeo]

You can't just find any place and call it home. There's a such thing as property. People don't have the right to live anywhere.

And if someone purchases property in a given country do they not have the right to live there?

If they have legal access to the country, they have the right to live there.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I wasn't aware every Muslim woman in the world lived in Denmark.

I was being hyperbolic, obviously.

It’s not hard to see. If the burqa is the only reason you can go out of the house, what happens when that is taken? These women won’t be allowed to leave the house. What happens when you’re forced to stay home? Can you integrate? Moreover, it can be seen as an attack on the values of their religion by the society of their new home country. How willing to integrate would you be, if that’s how you saw this ban?

Maybe it's because the values of the religion and the values of the new home country go together as well as bleach and ammonia? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Then the country should go ahead and say “hey, we are targeting you because we don’t like your values” instead of trying to pass it as a women’s rights issue when it’s clearly not about that. I’d respect them more, only for honesty, even if I thought the ban is a douchebag move.

[Vassenor]

And if someone purchases property in a given country do they not have the right to live there?

Not everyone has the right to migrate to any other country.

Based on what logic?

[Herskerstad]

The burka as women's liberation has to be the single worst meme of this century.

Policing women's clothing as women's liberation has to be the single worst meme of this century.

If only traditional Islamic families were matriarchal that might be very much within the realm of vocation. Seeing as that is not the case and it's very inception is one of subjugation to the patriarchal structure, then arguing for it on the grounds of vocation and women rights is equivalent to arguing for voluntary serfdom as farmers empowerment.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

That's precisely the goal though. Having effectively eradicated Christianity as a major religion, the liberal West will not be satisfied until it has eradicated all religion from its shores.

Then we should not be surprised if we keep getting bombed and having vans/vehicles run into groups of innocent people.

And those incidents will encourage Islamophobia to grow even more.

[Xadufell]

Not everyone has the right to migrate to any other country.

Based on what logic?

Fucking NATIONAL IMMIGRATION LAWS, mate

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Then we should not be surprised if we keep getting bombed and having vans/vehicles run into groups of innocent people.

And those incidents will encourage Islamophobia to grow even more.

Then we should rethink our treatment of them.