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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:04 pm

Liriena wrote:
Aellex wrote:which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style"""

Yeaaaaah.... no. Bad way to start, m'dude.

Aellex wrote:Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe consider posting like a serious person. As it stands, that little zinger cost you my respect and I won't be engaging with any of your argumentation.

I'm sorry, but as an LGBT+ person, I really don't have the patience to humor you after you've made it so abundantly clear that, at best, you can't be bothered to be respectful in the most basic, easy way towards us... and, at worst, you hold my community in contempt. You've pretty much signalled that you are not approaching us in good faith and, thus, you don't deserve any good faith of our own.


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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:05 pm

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Liriena wrote:Yeaaaaah.... no. Bad way to start, m'dude.


If you want to be taken seriously, maybe consider posting like a serious person. As it stands, that little zinger cost you my respect and I won't be engaging with any of your argumentation.

I'm sorry, but as an LGBT+ person, I really don't have the patience to humor you after you've made it so abundantly clear that, at best, you can't be bothered to be respectful in the most basic, easy way towards us... and, at worst, you hold my community in contempt. You've pretty much signalled that you are not approaching us in good faith and, thus, you don't deserve any good faith of our own.


We don't deserve respect. We're just a shield from accusations of bigotry.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:06 pm

Novum Imperium Atlanticum wrote:How come you are pro Islam when they on the other hand would destroy you?

Why are you saying stereotypes and baseless assumptions?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:07 pm

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Liriena wrote:Yeaaaaah.... no. Bad way to start, m'dude.


If you want to be taken seriously, maybe consider posting like a serious person. As it stands, that little zinger cost you my respect and I won't be engaging with any of your argumentation.

I'm sorry, but as an LGBT+ person, I really don't have the patience to humor you after you've made it so abundantly clear that, at best, you can't be bothered to be respectful in the most basic, easy way towards us... and, at worst, you hold my community in contempt.

:roll: oh give it a rest

No. If you want to enable those cute little displays of bias, that's fine by me, but I'm not in the mood to let petty homophobic douchebaggery slide for the sake of an argument.

If Aellex feels compelled to make a not-that-subtle jab at LGBT+ people for no discernible reason, I reserve the right to be equally petty and not give him the time of day until such time as he grows up just a little bit.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:09 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Novum Imperium Atlanticum wrote:How come you are pro Islam when they on the other hand would destroy you?

Why are you saying stereotypes and baseless assumptions?

Because what else does he have? He certainly doesn't have any facts or good arguments, otherwise his post would not have been entirely dedicated to trying to make Vass feel personally guilty about not supporting a burqa ban by way of second-hand intimidation.

It's actually pretty sad.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:11 pm

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Thermodolia wrote: :roll: oh give it a rest

No. If you want to enable those cute little displays of bias, that's fine by me, but I'm not in the mood to let petty homophobic douchebaggery slide for the sake of an argument.

I’m trying to figure out how the hell is Lgbtqlomnpxyz+ is homophobic douchebery. Because the way I see it is that those who think that is homophobia haven’t actually faced homophobia

If Aellex feels compelled to make a not-that-subtle jab at LGBT+ people for no discernible reason, I reserve the right to be equally petty and not give him the time of day until such time as he grows up just a little bit.

And I reserve the right to call you out on overreacting over an extremely minor issue.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:12 pm

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Thermodolia wrote: :roll: oh give it a rest

No. If you want to enable those cute little displays of bias, that's fine by me, but I'm not in the mood to let petty homophobic douchebaggery slide for the sake of an argument.

If Aellex feels compelled to make a not-that-subtle jab at LGBT+ people for no discernible reason, I reserve the right to be equally petty and not give him the time of day until such time as he grows up just a little bit.

Besides, public shaming works where empathy fails.
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Postby Novum Imperium Atlanticum » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:12 pm

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Novum Imperium Atlanticum wrote:That you haven't bothered to read: it befuddles me that you are so intensely pro islam when you're a Team Sailor Moon as you so proudly proclaim. Funny how you came up with another strawman by calling it character assassination and you still haven't answered the question. How come you are pro Islam when they on the other hand would destroy you? (I thought I'd put it in simpler terms for you.) (Edited for typos, as I typed this on my phone.)


So yes "You're X so you're not allowed to think Y because I said so".

-drinks-


Yeah, like I said, another dodge while the question still stands. But hey, good luck with that. Perhaps you can add another title to your long list: Her Majesty the Queen of Strawmen.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:13 pm

Novum Imperium Atlanticum wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So yes "You're X so you're not allowed to think Y because I said so".

-drinks-


Yeah, like I said, another dodge while the question still stands. But hey, good luck with that. Perhaps you can add another title to your long list: Her Majesty the Queen of Strawmen.


Is it really a dodge to point out your premise is ludicrous?

And yes, " How come you are pro Islam when they on the other hand would destroy you?" is pretty much a textbook "You are X so you are not allowed to think Y".
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Postby Novum Imperium Atlanticum » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:15 pm

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Novum Imperium Atlanticum wrote:How come you are pro Islam when they on the other hand would destroy you?

Why are you saying stereotypes and baseless assumptions?


Baseless assumptions how? Go and tell me that what I said is wrong. Muslim countries either send LGBTQ-whatever people to jail, try to "cure" them, forcibly change their sex or in the worst case, kill them outright. And here we have someone who would be a prime target in any of the countries I mentioned and still, she defends them. So, how are my assumptions baseless?

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Postby Novum Imperium Atlanticum » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:16 pm

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Novum Imperium Atlanticum wrote:
Yeah, like I said, another dodge while the question still stands. But hey, good luck with that. Perhaps you can add another title to your long list: Her Majesty the Queen of Strawmen.


Is it really a dodge to point out your premise is ludicrous?

And yes, " How come you are pro Islam when they on the other hand would destroy you?" is pretty much a textbook "You are X so you are not allowed to think Y".


You can think whatever you can think, but it doesn't answer the why you're thinking it.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:16 pm

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Liriena wrote:No. If you want to enable those cute little displays of bias, that's fine by me, but I'm not in the mood to let petty homophobic douchebaggery slide for the sake of an argument.

I’m trying to figure out how the hell is Lgbtqlomnpxyz+ is homophobic douchebery. Because the way I see it is that those who think that is homophobia haven’t actually faced homophobia

Oh, for fuck's sake, dude, it's not rocket science. I don't care if it's a minor thing, but him making that little jab is pretty in line with sentiments he's expressed in the past, particularly about trans people. Clearly, he has no respect for LGBT+ rights beyond the occasional virtue signalling about how awful Muslim homophobia is.

What purpose do you think him making that acronym jab serves? Think hard.

Thermodolia wrote:
If Aellex feels compelled to make a not-that-subtle jab at LGBT+ people for no discernible reason, I reserve the right to be equally petty and not give him the time of day until such time as he grows up just a little bit.

And I reserve the right to call you out on overreacting over an extremely minor issue.

I'm not "overreacting". Overreacting would be reporting him in Moderation for a "slur" or "hate speech". That would be an overreaction.

Me refusing to engage with a mildly disrespectful person, though? I don't see what's so extreme about that. I think its a good way of fostering genuine civility.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:18 pm

Novum Imperium Atlanticum wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Why are you saying stereotypes and baseless assumptions?


Baseless assumptions how? Go and tell me that what I said is wrong. Muslim countries either send LGBTQ-whatever people to jail, try to "cure" them, forcibly change their sex or in the worst case, kill them outright. And here we have someone who would be a prime target in any of the countries I mentioned and still, she defends them. So, how are my assumptions baseless?

Because your projecting the dhulm (wrongdoing/oppression in Arabic) of those Muslim-majority countries onto every Muslim in the world.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:20 pm

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Liriena wrote:No. If you want to enable those cute little displays of bias, that's fine by me, but I'm not in the mood to let petty homophobic douchebaggery slide for the sake of an argument.

I’m trying to figure out how the hell is Lgbtqlomnpxyz+ is homophobic douchebery. Because the way I see it is that those who think that is homophobia haven’t actually faced homophobia

It's an edgy mocking of people who don't consider themselves cishet, the exact sort of mindset that resulted in the memeshit Attack Helicopter.
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Postby Aellex » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:20 pm

Liriena wrote:Yeaaaaah.... no. Bad way to start, m'dude.

Well yes. Whiney one-liners, non-sequiturs and an utter and constant refusal to defend oneself when those two get a response is bound to annoy most people they interact with and while ad hominem aren't nice and all that, at some point one just reap what they sow.
Aellex wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, maybe consider posting like a serious person. As it stands, that little zinger cost you my respect and I won't be engaging with any of your argumentation.

I'm sorry, but as an LGBT+ person, I really don't have the patience to humor you after you've made it so abundantly clear that, at best, you can't be bothered to be respectful in the most basic, easy way towards us... and, at worst, you hold my community in contempt. You've pretty much signalled that you are not approaching us in good faith and, thus, you don't deserve any good faith of our own.

Hum? I'm talking about the member of a political movement that is quite extremist in its position, not the gays in general. I don't really see why you're equating the two nor getting that upset, tbh.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:21 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:I’m trying to figure out how the hell is Lgbtqlomnpxyz+ is homophobic douchebery. Because the way I see it is that those who think that is homophobia haven’t actually faced homophobia

It's an edgy mocking of people who don't consider themselves cishet, the exact sort of mindset that resulted in the memeshit Attack Helicopter.

I’m really not seeing it
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:21 pm

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Novum Imperium Atlanticum wrote:
Baseless assumptions how? Go and tell me that what I said is wrong. Muslim countries either send LGBTQ-whatever people to jail, try to "cure" them, forcibly change their sex or in the worst case, kill them outright. And here we have someone who would be a prime target in any of the countries I mentioned and still, she defends them. So, how are my assumptions baseless?

Because your projecting the dhulm (wrongdoing/oppression in Arabic) of those Muslim-majority countries onto every Muslim in the world.

What do you mean liberal and LGBT+ Muslims exist?????
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:22 pm

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Liriena wrote:Yeaaaaah.... no. Bad way to start, m'dude.


If you want to be taken seriously, maybe consider posting like a serious person. As it stands, that little zinger cost you my respect and I won't be engaging with any of your argumentation.

I'm sorry, but as an LGBT+ person, I really don't have the patience to humor you after you've made it so abundantly clear that, at best, you can't be bothered to be respectful in the most basic, easy way towards us... and, at worst, you hold my community in contempt. You've pretty much signalled that you are not approaching us in good faith and, thus, you don't deserve any good faith of our own.


We don't deserve respect. We're just a shield from accusations of bigotry.


Nah, Vass you don't get to claim that status. What a gimmick. Leave that to people who don't have such blatant records of playing dumb regarding radicals.

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Thermodolia wrote:I’m trying to figure out how the hell is Lgbtqlomnpxyz+ is homophobic douchebery. Because the way I see it is that those who think that is homophobia haven’t actually faced homophobia

It's an edgy mocking of people who don't consider themselves cishet, the exact sort of mindset that resulted in the memeshit Attack Helicopter.

But there is a difference. The Attack Helicopter meme is actually funny.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:23 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:You claim to have a point here, I see, but the lie detector determined that was a lie.

Dude, your meme economy is out of whack.

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Liriena wrote:
Aellex wrote:which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style"""

Yeaaaaah.... no. Bad way to start, m'dude.

Aellex wrote:Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe consider posting like a serious person. As it stands, that little zinger cost you my respect and I won't be engaging with any of your argumentation.

I'm sorry, but as an LGBT+ person, I really don't have the patience to humor you after you've made it so abundantly clear that, at best, you can't be bothered to be respectful in the most basic, easy way towards us... and, at worst, you hold my community in contempt. You've pretty much signalled that you are not approaching us in good faith and, thus, you don't deserve any good faith of our own.

Yeah I'm gonna have to disagree here: it's evident his mock acronym is, well, mocking some of the stranger examples, especially when people start to tack everything under the sun onto the poor thing. Things like "LGBTWTFBBQ" have the same idea. Take the (completely real, mind) "acronym" of "LGBTTQQIAAP". At that point it doesn't function as an acronym by any means, and overall makes an unintentional mockery of the whole thing. Of course, I personally prefer GLBT+ :^)

His overall point still stands regardless, and frankly you're being pretty immature about this.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:24 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:It's an edgy mocking of people who don't consider themselves cishet, the exact sort of mindset that resulted in the memeshit Attack Helicopter.

But there is a difference. The Attack Helicopter meme is actually funny.

Hey, if you think mocking transgenders is hilarious of course you'd find it funny.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 15, 2018 2:26 pm

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Liriena wrote:Yeaaaaah.... no. Bad way to start, m'dude.

Well yes. Whiney one-liners, non-sequiturs and an utter and constant refusal to defend oneself when those two get a response is bound to annoy most people they interact with and while ad hominem aren't nice and all that, at some point one just reap what they sow.

The day when two wrongs make a right, I'll be sure to make a post saying "Vass deserved it". But today is not that day.

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Aellex wrote:If you want to be taken seriously, maybe consider posting like a serious person. As it stands, that little zinger cost you my respect and I won't be engaging with any of your argumentation.

I'm sorry, but as an LGBT+ person, I really don't have the patience to humor you after you've made it so abundantly clear that, at best, you can't be bothered to be respectful in the most basic, easy way towards us... and, at worst, you hold my community in contempt. You've pretty much signalled that you are not approaching us in good faith and, thus, you don't deserve any good faith of our own.

Hum? I'm talking about the member of a political movement that is quite extremist in its position, not the gays in general. I don't really see why you're equating the two nor getting that upset, tbh.


I'm not upset. I'm annoyed. There's a difference.

I'm hoping you'll find it in yourself to give it another shot and maybe, this time, stick to just LGBT+? Or LGBTQ+, if you're feeling Q-inclusive. If you do that, I'll be happy to take you seriously.

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Liriena wrote:Besides, public shaming works where empathy fails.

>mfw
Liriena wrote: petty homophobic douchebaggery

>mfw


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Petrasylvania wrote:
Valgora wrote:But there is a difference. The Attack Helicopter meme is actually funny.

Hey, if you think mocking transgenders is hilarious of course you'd find it funny.

I have a pretty fucked up sense of humor.
And what also made it funny was that attack helicopter could be replaced with almost anything.
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Petrasylvania wrote:
Valgora wrote:But there is a difference. The Attack Helicopter meme is actually funny.

Hey, if you think mocking transgenders is hilarious of course you'd find it funny.

I mean, if you think people who call themselves "catgender" aren't more than transtrenders, that's on you buddy.
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