Another day, another burqa ban(in Denmark)

[Petrasylvania]

Lmao are you seriously using the format of that old Joker meme?

You might as well have started with "we live in a society".

I mean, he's not wrong.

Besides implying that it's okay for a European democracy to resort to Saudi standards, what would be achieved from losing your mind over Saudi bans when outrage won't do shit to make it change? Some people like to call that virtue signalling.

[Genivaria]

When did Saudi Arabia ban Christianity?

Not officially, though they, like most of the middle east, ban Christian evangelization and Christian conversion. You can be Christian, you just can't try to do a fundamental part of the Christian faith.

They also strongly prefer Muslim foriegn experts instead of non-Muslims.

[Novum Imperium Atlanticum]

Wow, this thread hasn't died yet? And Vassenor still shilling for Islam? Well, I guess I check back another day, but just a small tip for Vassenor on my way out: Why don't you travel to Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or whatever and visit some town's square, particularly after friday afternoon, when everyone is just leaving from their mosques. Then, on their way out, start telling them that you are a proud member or Team Hufflepuff or Team Sailor Moon or whatever you call yourself. (I despise that anime btw. It kills braincells.) Then see what happens. See if you're still willing to shill for them after you have survived the public hanging/beheading/stoning and/or being thrown from a building/being overrun by a tank/publicly burned alive at the stake. Come back to me and tell me you're still willing to shill for them. Here's my guess: you're not trans at all, otherwise you wouldn't be so intensely pro-Islam, coming up with countless strawmen during this thread. Perhaps you're more a (closet) muslim yourself. Otherwise, it's exactly as has been said already: it befuddles me how you constantly defend a "culture" which would destroy you without so much as a second thought.

[Vassenor]

Wow, this thread hasn't died yet? And Vassenor still shilling for Islam? Well, I guess I check back another day, but just a small tip for Vassenor on my way out: Why don't you travel to Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or whatever and visit some town's square, particularly after friday afternoon, when everyone is just leaving from their mosques. Then, on their way out, start telling them that you are a proud member or Team Hufflepuff or Team Sailor Moon or whatever you call yourself. (I despise that anime btw. It kills braincells.) Then see what happens. See if you're still willing to shill for them after you have survived the public hanging/beheading/stoning and/or being thrown from a building/being overrun by a tank/publicly burned alive at the stake. Come back to me and tell me you're still willing to shill for them. Here's my guess: you're not trans at all, otherwise you wouldn't be so intensely pro-Islam, coming up with countless strawmen during this thread. Perhaps you're more a (closet) muslim yourself. Otherwise, it's exactly as has been said already: it befuddles me how you constantly defend a "culture" which would destroy you without so much as a second thought.

Sorry was there a point you were trying to make under all that invective?

[Liriena]

Lmao are you seriously using the format of that old Joker meme?

You might as well have started with "we live in a society".

You claim to have a point here, I see, but the lie detector determined that was a lie.

Dude, your meme economy is out of whack.

[Liriena]

Lmao are you seriously using the format of that old Joker meme?

You might as well have started with "we live in a society".

I mean, he's not wrong.

Not really, though. Their argument depends on a couple of shoddy, unproven assumptions in order to be compelling:

1. That the exact same people who criticize Denmark's policies have never criticized Saudi Arabia's or Iran's religious authoritarianism.
2. That lack of attention towards the authoritarian policies of nations outside of our own historical region is, in an of itself, a sign of a religious or cultural double standard, rather than the result of geographical distance diminishing their relative importance due to them not directly impacting our lives in our own "turf".
3. That this alleged double standard in any way justifies the policy in and of itself.

All of these implicit assumptions are not rooted in logical thought, but on clichés and emotional manipulation.

tl;dr Unstoppable Empire of Doom is bullshitting and underestimating everyone else's grasp of logic

[Liriena]

Wow, this thread hasn't died yet? And Vassenor still shilling for Islam? Well, I guess I check back another day, but just a small tip for Vassenor on my way out: Why don't you travel to Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or whatever and visit some town's square, particularly after friday afternoon, when everyone is just leaving from their mosques. Then, on their way out, start telling them that you are a proud member or Team Hufflepuff or Team Sailor Moon or whatever you call yourself. (I despise that anime btw. It kills braincells.) Then see what happens. See if you're still willing to shill for them after you have survived the public hanging/beheading/stoning and/or being thrown from a building/being overrun by a tank/publicly burned alive at the stake. Come back to me and tell me you're still willing to shill for them. Here's my guess: you're not trans at all, otherwise you wouldn't be so intensely pro-Islam, coming up with countless strawmen during this thread. Perhaps you're more a (closet) muslim yourself. Otherwise, it's exactly as has been said already: it befuddles me how you constantly defend a "culture" which would destroy you without so much as a second thought.

Lmao this is the saddest, dumbest attempt at character assassination I've seen in a while. I feel really bad for you.

[Vassenor]

Wow, this thread hasn't died yet? And Vassenor still shilling for Islam? Well, I guess I check back another day, but just a small tip for Vassenor on my way out: Why don't you travel to Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or whatever and visit some town's square, particularly after friday afternoon, when everyone is just leaving from their mosques. Then, on their way out, start telling them that you are a proud member or Team Hufflepuff or Team Sailor Moon or whatever you call yourself. (I despise that anime btw. It kills braincells.) Then see what happens. See if you're still willing to shill for them after you have survived the public hanging/beheading/stoning and/or being thrown from a building/being overrun by a tank/publicly burned alive at the stake. Come back to me and tell me you're still willing to shill for them. Here's my guess: you're not trans at all, otherwise you wouldn't be so intensely pro-Islam, coming up with countless strawmen during this thread. Perhaps you're more a (closet) muslim yourself. Otherwise, it's exactly as has been said already: it befuddles me how you constantly defend a "culture" which would destroy you without so much as a second thought.

Lmao this is the saddest, dumbest attempt at character assassination I've seen in a while. I feel really bad for you.

I need to make a drinking game out of the "you are X so you are not allowed to think Y" stuff.

[Ifreann]

Lmao this is the saddest, dumbest attempt at character assassination I've seen in a while. I feel really bad for you.

I need to make a drinking game out of the "you are X so you are not allowed to think Y" stuff.

Ah, but you're a crypto-Muslim, so you can't drink!

Checkmate, liberalism.

[Harmonian Hegemony]

You know, there is a reason why most of Europe banned wearing Gestapo Uniforms but not cars. Both might have been used by Nazis but, unsurprisingly to one that isn't purposefully blind, one is more symbolically tied to them than the other.

Wearing Gestapo uniforms, yes. But those were Nazis. That was an entire regime participating in crimes. Muslims wearing the burqa are just people who wear a garment.

You'd be better off arguing with a plank of wood.

[Liriena]

Lmao this is the saddest, dumbest attempt at character assassination I've seen in a while. I feel really bad for you.

I need to make a drinking game out of the "you are X so you are not allowed to think Y" stuff.

Sounds like he's scared shitless by you, to be honest.

I mean... why else would he dedicate a long-ass post to screeching like a crazy person about you being a fake trans woman, a secret Muslim, and making "sassy", mean girl comments about you liking Sailor fucking Moon?

I don't know about you, but I'm taking a screenshot of his post for posterity.

[Liriena]

I need to make a drinking game out of the "you are X so you are not allowed to think Y" stuff.

Ah, but you're a crypto-Muslim, so you can't drink!

Checkmate, liberalism.

What about soy lattes? Those are allowed, right? Plus, totally not crazy people tell me soy makes you feminine! =3

[Novum Imperium Atlanticum]

That you haven't bothered to read: it befuddles me that you are so intensely pro islam when you're a Team Sailor Moon as you so proudly proclaim. Funny how you came up with another strawman by calling it character assassination and you still haven't answered the question. How come you are pro Islam when they on the other hand would destroy you? (I thought I'd put it in simpler terms for you.) (Edited for typos, as I typed this on my phone.)

[Aellex]

I need to make a drinking game out of the "you are X so you are not allowed to think Y" stuff.

Sounds like he's scared shitless by you, to be honest.

I mean... why else would he dedicate a long-ass post to screeching like a crazy person about you being a fake trans woman, a secret Muslim, and making "sassy", mean girl comments about you liking Sailor fucking Moon?

I don't know about you, but I'm taking a screenshot of his post for posterity.

Tbf, and leaving aside the critics on Vass directly which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style""", he does raise a valid point.
Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+ who rush first to defend Islam in spite of everything when their very beliefs and ideology would be persecuted like never before if those very same extremists got into power. That unsurprisingly bogger the mind of quite a lot of people.

[Vassenor]

That you haven't bothered to read: it befuddles me that you are so intensely pro islam when you're a Team Sailor Moon as you so proudly proclaim. Funny how you came up with another strawman by calling it character assassination and you still haven't answered the question. How come you are pro Islam when they on the other hand would destroy you? (I thought I'd put it in simpler terms for you.) (Edited for typos, as I typed this on my phone.)

So yes "You're X so you're not allowed to think Y because I said so".

-drinks-

[Ifreann]

Ah, but you're a crypto-Muslim, so you can't drink!

Checkmate, liberalism.

What about soy lattes? Those are allowed, right? Plus, totally not crazy people tell me soy makes you feminine! =3

[Valgora]

Sounds like he's scared shitless by you, to be honest.

I mean... why else would he dedicate a long-ass post to screeching like a crazy person about you being a fake trans woman, a secret Muslim, and making "sassy", mean girl comments about you liking Sailor fucking Moon?

I don't know about you, but I'm taking a screenshot of his post for posterity.

Tbf, and leaving aside the critics on Vass directly which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style""", he does raise a valid point.
Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+ who rush first to defend Islam in spite of everything when their very beliefs and ideology would be persecuted like never before if those very same extremists got into power. That unsurprisingly bogger the mind of quite a lot of people.

There's some multiple reasons.

One reason could be that they're defending people who are Muslims that ain't extremists/Islamists.

[Liriena]

[snipped for nonsense]

Friendly reminder that the Iranian government is known for being fairly accepting of trans people, and being willing to support their transitions, despite also being genocidally homophobic.

For someone who seems to have it all figured out, or at least figured out enough to angrily rant at a trans woman for disagreeing with a burqa ban, insulting her tastes in anime and accusing her of lying about her gender and faith... you sure missed the mark with at least one of your examples.

Maybe... just maybe... you are not nearly as knowledgeable as you think you are and should shut up and think for a bit? You won't be able to take your character assassination attempt back, unfortunately (and I have kept my word and taken a glorious screenshot of it for posterity), but at least you won't dig yourself into a deeper hole.

[Ifreann]

Sounds like he's scared shitless by you, to be honest.

I mean... why else would he dedicate a long-ass post to screeching like a crazy person about you being a fake trans woman, a secret Muslim, and making "sassy", mean girl comments about you liking Sailor fucking Moon?

I don't know about you, but I'm taking a screenshot of his post for posterity.

Tbf, and leaving aside the critics on Vass directly which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style""", he does raise a valid point.
Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+ who rush first to defend Islam in spite of everything when their very beliefs and ideology would be persecuted like never before if those very same extremists got into power. That unsurprisingly bogger the mind of quite a lot of people.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Vassenor]

Tbf, and leaving aside the critics on Vass directly which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style""", he does raise a valid point.
Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+ who rush first to defend Islam in spite of everything when their very beliefs and ideology would be persecuted like never before if those very same extremists got into power. That unsurprisingly bogger the mind of quite a lot of people.

There's some multiple reasons.

One reason could be that they're defending people who are Muslims that ain't extremists/Islamists.

What are you talking about? Clearly we should be falling into lockstep behind the conservatives who actually are trying to enact persecution in the western world.

[Petrasylvania]

Tbf, and leaving aside the critics on Vass directly which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style""", he does raise a valid point.
Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+ who rush first to defend Islam in spite of everything when their very beliefs and ideology would be persecuted like never before if those very same extremists got into power. That unsurprisingly bogger the mind of quite a lot of people.

There's some multiple reasons.

One reason could be that they're defending people who are Muslims that ain't extremists/Islamists.

Well, when one presumes every single Muslim in the world pledged allegiance to Daesh and have a genetic compulsion to throw LGBTs off rooftops some things don't make sense.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Dang, y'all talk a lot. Anyhoo, burqas and niqabs should be allowed.
Now let's get to the juicy stuff:

How does banning an item of clothing reduce Islamist terror attacks and support for Islamism?

It doesn't. It's a symbolic move of rejection of fundamentalist Islam and that already is good enough.

Burqas & niqabs =/= fundamentalism

Suppression of religious freedom and bodily autonomy is nice?

You don't know what could be under that niqab.

A face.

Oh my god, Japanese people have light-coloured skin which can be defined as white.

Get lost. Japanese people are far above the white people.

Racist much?

Saudi Arabia bans Christians and nobody says a word.

False

Iran executes anyone who converts to Christianity and nobody says a word.

False:
"On 2 February 2018, four United Nations human rights experts said that members of the Christian minority in Iran, particularly those who have converted to Christianity, are facing severe discrimination and religious persecution in Iran. They expressed their concerns over treatment of three Iranian Christians imprisoned in Iran."
Whoops just realized thisdoesnt refute your point, but I diubt that what you said is true.

I'm sorry if some people find it hard to give a shit about Muslims wanting an exclusive right to wear face masks. If it makes you feel better I am also against sihks carrying knives on planes, and Jews sucking blood off a dick after a circumsision.

Why?

In practice, there's no difference. Making a white homeland, on a function level, means treating non-whites as non-citizens and enforcing the rule and homogeneity of white states.



Because it ignores the history of imperialism by which white, capitalist countries systematically attacked and displaced indigenous populations, by slaughtering them, making them slaves, stealing their land, forcibly converting them to Christianity, suppressing their language, etc.

White people are too oppressed by the economics of imperialism, whether directly (for example, Ireland) or indirectly (through outsourcing jobs, through imperialist wars where working class Europeans die for the profits of capitalists). But white people are not oppressed based on their race.

Lastly, "white people" cannot have a coherent homeland because "white people" do not collectively share much in common. Various ethnic groups all fall under "white". What unites a Pole with a Scot isn't their need for a white homeland, but their socioeconomic conditions and their interests as members of the a international working class.

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No strife between races, no peace between classes!

1) It's actually not forcing non-citizenship to non-whites. It's enforcing the natural reality of race as a part of identity.

Race isn't real. Ethnicity is real.

2) The white ethno-state doesn't have to be capitalist. I'm actually not a capitalist. Asia is Asian, Africa is African, but Europe is Asian, African, and European nowadays. This is not fair! White people are truly oppressed by both international capitalism and socialism! We need a National socialism.

Also, in case you don't know, Nazism is bad.

3) White people share Europe, similar family values and traditions. Every racial group in the world has similar values and belief systems. Once you study Anthropology, you will understand this.

Lol white people don't share the same values, just like black people don't share the same values, etc.

Muslims are everywhere, but white people aren't. That gives Muslims more power over international finance and business, instead of sovereignty for everybody.

Someone doesn't understand basic economics.

Wow, this thread hasn't died yet? And Vassenor still shilling for Islam? Well, I guess I check back another day, but just a small tip for Vassenor on my way out: Why don't you travel to Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or whatever and visit some town's square, particularly after friday afternoon, when everyone is just leaving from their mosques. Then, on their way out, start telling them that you are a proud member or Team Hufflepuff or Team Sailor Moon or whatever you call yourself. (I despise that anime btw. It kills braincells.) Then see what happens. See if you're still willing to shill for them after you have survived the public hanging/beheading/stoning and/or being thrown from a building/being overrun by a tank/publicly burned alive at the stake. Come back to me and tell me you're still willing to shill for them. Here's my guess: you're not trans at all, otherwise you wouldn't be so intensely pro-Islam, coming up with countless strawmen during this thread. Perhaps you're more a (closet) muslim yourself. Otherwise, it's exactly as has been said already: it befuddles me how you constantly defend a "culture" which would destroy you without so much as a second thought.

NO U

But seriously, Vassenor would have an easier, more productive, less expensive time learning about Al-Islam by reading the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, going to a masjid and asking questions, and getting some Islamic books, and going to Islamic websites.

And Kustonia, here are my questions again:
1: What is the difference between an 'Islamic' and a Muslim to you?
2: Why do you think Muslims don't belong in Europe?
3: When you say "Muslims don't belong in Europe" do you mean all Muslims or just non-white Muslims?

[The East Marches II]

Tbf, and leaving aside the critics on Vass directly which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style""", he does raise a valid point.
Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+ who rush first to defend Islam in spite of everything when their very beliefs and ideology would be persecuted like never before if those very same extremists got into power. That unsurprisingly bogger the mind of quite a lot of people.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

That might be a good idea if they weren't the weak and spineless ones. Alas unfortunately for the feministas and others making a Faustian bargain, they are merely committing political suicide.

[Liriena]

which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style"""

Yeaaaaah.... no. Bad way to start, m'dude.

Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe consider posting like a serious person. As it stands, that little zinger cost you my respect and I won't be engaging with any of your argumentation.

I'm sorry, but as an LGBT+ person, I really don't have the patience to humor you after you've made it so abundantly clear that, at best, you can't be bothered to be respectful in the most basic, easy way towards us... and, at worst, you hold my community in contempt. You've pretty much signalled that you are not approaching us in good faith and, thus, you don't deserve any good faith of our own.

[Thermodolia]

which we can easily excuse as being somewhat deserved given their own posting """style"""

Yeaaaaah.... no. Bad way to start, m'dude.

Why is it always the LGBTQXEDGTESDFTEDGR+

If you want to be taken seriously, maybe consider posting like a serious person. As it stands, that little zinger cost you my respect and I won't be engaging with any of your argumentation.

I'm sorry, but as an LGBT+ person, I really don't have the patience to humor you after you've made it so abundantly clear that, at best, you can't be bothered to be respectful in the most basic, easy way towards us... and, at worst, you hold my community in contempt.

oh give it a rest