Another day, another burqa ban(in Denmark)

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

How does banning an item of clothing reduce Islamist terror attacks and support for Islamism?

It doesn't. It's a symbolic move of rejection of fundamentalist Islam and that already is good enough.

A symbolic move of banning a piece of fucking fabric and in turn violating Muslims' human right to freedom of religious expression.

[Aellex]

A symbolic move of banning a piece of fucking fabric and in turn violating Muslims' human right to freedom of religious expression.

There is as much freedom of expression to it than there is to the shackles of a slave.

[Ifreann]

Well, I have no reason to be 'afraid' of Muslims, there are none here. You westerners should however.

351 people have died from terrorist attacks in Europe since 2014 according to your own source (note that over 20 million Muslims live in Europe, so the chance of a Muslim in Europe being a terrorist is 1 in several hundred thousand). However, the numbers are far higher in the rest of the world, especially in Africa and the Middle East.

The chance of an Islamist terrorist killing a European is astronomically low. In fact, statistically the most likely person on Earth to kill you is yourself.

Ban the self.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

A symbolic move of banning a piece of fucking fabric and in turn violating Muslims' human right to freedom of religious expression.

There is as much freedom of expression to it than there is to the shackles of a slave.

The shackles of a slave actively restrict a slave's freedom of movement. A burqa simply serves to cover almost all of the body.

(edit: Not to mention Muslim women consensually wear it)

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While I think there are credible arguments for banning face coverings, they usually revolve around the possibility of what someone with a covered face might do, and for that reason I don't support bans on face coverings for what people might do, just as I don't support banning alcohol because people might drive drunk, nor do I support banning guns because people might murder someone. I really dislike people covering their faces in public, but I am first and foremost a libertarian and I do not believe in using state power to ban things that make people uncomfortable. So I'm against banning face coverings with the force of law, although I do think they should be strongly discouraged and that private institutions have the right to regulate what someone on their property can wear - I'm fine with a bank saying you can't come in with a covered face.

That said, I'm really conflicted about this, because I think this is a rare case where banning something might result in more freedom given than taken away. I find it very hard to believe that a majority of women in burqas and niqabs wear them willingly (hijabs are a different matter, I couldn't guess what percent wears them willingly vs. not, but I'd think it's a substantial number). And when westerners say it's a matter of choice, it's an insult to women in the Islamic world who are imprisoned or worse for daring to show their faces or hair. Even if one is not directly coerced into wearing a niqab or burka, there is indirect coercion. I hope one day that burkas cease to exist, but I don't want to see that happen by way of the state using the force of law.

[The South Falls]

There is as much freedom of expression to it than there is to the shackles of a slave.

The shackles of a slave actively restrict a slave's freedom of movement. A burqa simply serves to cover almost all of the body.

(edit: Not to mention Muslim women consensually wear it)

"Fundamentalists do thing" "Ban thing"

Alright, ban cars. And rolling into cities cheering.

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(edit: Not to mention Muslim women consensually wear it)

Some Muslims wear it consensually, some don't. You can't just make a generalization like that.

[Shaggtopia]

Some people have strong feelings about this. Personally I feel any government that legislates punative measures be taken in the world of fashion simply cannot be taken seriously.

[Aellex]

The shackles of a slave actively restrict a slave's freedom of movement.

Yes. That's the point.

A burqa simply serves to cover almost all of the body.

Not all restriction are physical.

(edit: Not to mention Muslim women consensually wear it)

No. That's the point.

[Aellex]

"Fundamentalists do thing" "Ban thing"

Alright, ban cars. And rolling into cities cheering.

You know, there is a reason why most of Europe banned wearing Gestapo Uniforms but not cars. Both might have been used by Nazis but, unsurprisingly to one that isn't purposefully blind, one is more symbolically tied to them than the other.

[Trumptonium1]

This is either trolling or you are severely deficient in some pretty basic common sense

Oh my god, Japanese people have light-coloured skin which can be defined as white.

fucking lol

regardless, this has nothing to do with the thread

[The South Falls]

"Fundamentalists do thing" "Ban thing"

Alright, ban cars. And rolling into cities cheering.

You know, there is a reason why most of Europe banned wearing Gestapo Uniforms but not cars. Both might have been used by Nazis but, unsurprisingly to one that isn't purposefully blind, one is more symbolically tied to them than the other.

Wearing Gestapo uniforms, yes. But those were Nazis. That was an entire regime participating in crimes. Muslims wearing the burqa are just people who wear a garment.

[Vassenor]

Oh my god, Japanese people have light-coloured skin which can be defined as white.

No, that's retarded and false, not necessarily in that order. Stupidly broadening a definition to the point of making it meaningless is stupid.

I forgot people get triggered when you don't see Muslims as the greatest threat to civilisation in the history of ever.

You didn't, tho. You said that twelves people getting gased in a metro once was worst than anything muslims ever done in Europe to which I amicably pointed you to their 600+ kill counts and one of their most horrifying slaughter.
You aren't really helping your argument when your only recourse after being proven wrong is to start to bitch and moan about racism.

And your only recourse is to shove words into my mouth. But please, show us where I explicitly said that Europeans "don't really count as humans".

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

A symbolic move of banning a piece of fucking fabric and in turn violating Muslims' human right to freedom of religious expression.

Denmark bans burqas and the world loses its shit.

Saudi Arabia bans Christians and nobody says a word.

Iran executes anyone who converts to Christian and nobody says a word.

I'm sorry if some people find it hard to give a shit about Muslims wanting an exclusive right to wear face masks. If it makes you feel better I am also against sihks carrying knives on planes, and Jews sucking blood off a dick after a circumsision.

[Vassenor]

A symbolic move of banning a piece of fucking fabric and in turn violating Muslims' human right to freedom of religious expression.

Denmark bans burqas and the world loses its shit.

Saudi Arabia bans Christians and nobody says a word.

Iran executes anyone who converts to Christian and nobody says a word.

I'm sorry if some people find it hard to give a shit about Muslims wanting an exclusive right to wear face masks. If it makes you feel better I am also against sihks carrying knives on planes, and Jews sucking blood off a dick after a circumsision.

When did Saudi Arabia ban Christianity?

[Liriena]

A symbolic move of banning a piece of fucking fabric and in turn violating Muslims' human right to freedom of religious expression.

Denmark bans burqas and the world loses its shit.

Saudi Arabia bans Christians and nobody says a word.

Iran executes anyone who converts to Christian and nobody says a word.

Lmao are you seriously using the format of that old Joker meme?

You might as well have started with "we live in a society".

[Liriena]

It doesn't. It's a symbolic move of rejection of fundamentalist Islam and that already is good enough.

A symbolic move of banning a piece of fucking fabric and in turn violating Muslims' human right to freedom of religious expression.

If the intent is to empower Muslim women, depriving them of the right to make their own decisions on the matter is stupid.
If the intent is to stick it to fundamentalists, it's still stupid because violent extremists in Europe are overwhelmingly male and thus don't wear burqas.

[Vassenor]

A symbolic move of banning a piece of fucking fabric and in turn violating Muslims' human right to freedom of religious expression.

If the intent is to empower Muslim women, depriving them of the right to make their own decisions on the matter is stupid.
If the intent is to stick it to fundamentalists, it's still stupid because violent extremists in Europe are overwhelmingly male and thus don't wear burqas.

And who run on a narrative based around the persecution of Muslims in the west.

[Aellex]

And your only recourse is to shove words into my mouth. But please, show us where I explicitly said that Europeans "don't really count as humans".

Apparently, twelve japanese people dying in a gas attack is "a monstrosity worst than anything muslims ever did in Europe". Given that just in the last four years alone, Islamic Terrorists have killed over 600 peoples in various terrorists attacks among which we can point out such niceties as bombing concerts for children or slitting the throat of a priest on his altar; what else can one conclude from your words than that you view the life of Europeans as utterly worthless when compared to the ones of Asiats, mate?

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

When did Saudi Arabia ban Christianity?

I don't know but practicing any religion other than Islam may be punished by the death penelty. Foreign workers may be christian but practicing their faith is strictly banned. Non Muslim symbols are also banned. Not long ago several people were arrested and deported for allegedly praying in the their own homes.

Iran allows historical Christians to practice their faith however anyone converted after the mid 20th century may be executed. Bibles are not allowed to be written in person either.

[Vassenor]

When did Saudi Arabia ban Christianity?

I don't know but practicing any religion other than Islam may be punished by the death penelty. Foreign workers may be christian but practicing their faith is strictly banned. Non Muslim symbols are also banned. Not long ago several people were arrested and deported for allegedly praying in the their own homes.

Iran allows historical Christians to practice their faith however anyone converted after the mid 20th century may be executed. Bibles are not allowed to be written in person either.

The last time anyone was executed for apostasy in Iran was in 1990.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Lmao are you seriously using the format of that old Joker meme?

You might as well have started with "we live in a society".

At least I am not just ranting about feminism and trying to free a fish from water.

[Liriena]

Lmao are you seriously using the format of that old Joker meme?

You might as well have started with "we live in a society".

At least I am not just ranting about feminism and trying to free a fish from water.

Non sequitur much, hon?

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

I don't know but practicing any religion other than Islam may be punished by the death penelty. Foreign workers may be christian but practicing their faith is strictly banned. Non Muslim symbols are also banned. Not long ago several people were arrested and deported for allegedly praying in the their own homes.

Iran allows historical Christians to practice their faith however anyone converted after the mid 20th century may be executed. Bibles are not allowed to be written in person either.

The last time anyone was executed for apostasy in Iran was in 1990.

So I guess the punishment prevents the crime.

[Vassenor]

The last time anyone was executed for apostasy in Iran was in 1990.

So I guess the punishment prevents the crime.