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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 31, 2018 3:57 pm

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Xadufell wrote:
It's hard to have freedom of expression when you can't see their expression.

They should have the freedom to cover their expression.

No they shouldn’t
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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 31, 2018 3:58 pm

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Geneviev wrote:It would not solve the problems. It would only conceal them. The best solution would be to teach that differences are a good thing instead of something to hide.

It is not good, perhaps, but it is permitted with freedom of expression unless it causes the child to be harmed.


Differences are not necessarily a good thing if they permit worse behaviors and mindsets, there, the differences should be confronted and eliminated. One person thinking it is their right to mutilate children is not a difference we can or should tolerate. A culture of them doing so likewise, and is something to crack down on.
I disagree that it would not solve the problems, because we'd only be targeting the problematic aspects of these cultures, things that should be banned, as well as pressuring for assimilation through banning faith schools and so on. Multiculturalism already merely conceals the problems (poorly.)

I don't much care about freedom of expression in these contexts.

Mutilating children is not the same thing as choosing to wear religious things of any sort.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 31, 2018 3:58 pm

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Gharrow wrote:Differences are not a good thing, they are the reason terrorist attacks and violence in general occur. Differences within a society lead to a divided society and then to a broken society warring with itself.

Here's the thing: every individual is different. Unless you want to make the entire citizenry of a country mindless, brainwashed robots, you can't really dislike differences.


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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 31, 2018 3:58 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:Seems kinda petty and stupid. If you don't want Muslims, don't let them in. Don't let them in and then shit on their faith after the fact


How could we know the problems that would arise from our cultures interacting before they interacted?
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Postby Benuty » Thu May 31, 2018 3:58 pm

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Benuty wrote:The last thing northern Europe needs is cancerous french thinking.

French thinking is best thinking

Hardly, the French savages are responsible for more war, and violence than the perfidious Anglo, scheming Turks, Protestant Germans, and crazy slavs combined.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu May 31, 2018 3:58 pm

Gharrow wrote:Then let them leave.

Maybe with a little "encouragement".


That's called ethnic cleansing and it's accepted to be a crime against humanity.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 31, 2018 3:58 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:I’ve made my opinions on that know.

They shouldn’t exist.


thankfully we have our bill of rights.

The native nations aren’t in the bill of rights bucko
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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 31, 2018 3:59 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Geneviev wrote:They should have the freedom to cover their expression.

No they shouldn’t

Yes, they should.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 31, 2018 3:59 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Differences are not necessarily a good thing if they permit worse behaviors and mindsets, there, the differences should be confronted and eliminated. One person thinking it is their right to mutilate children is not a difference we can or should tolerate. A culture of them doing so likewise, and is something to crack down on.
I disagree that it would not solve the problems, because we'd only be targeting the problematic aspects of these cultures, things that should be banned, as well as pressuring for assimilation through banning faith schools and so on. Multiculturalism already merely conceals the problems (poorly.)

I don't much care about freedom of expression in these contexts.

Mutilating children is not the same thing as choosing to wear religious things of any sort.


Religion should be a private matter, and public displays of it and so on further divisions in society and prevent assimilation. What we are doing is not working, we need new approaches.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu May 31, 2018 3:59 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Seems kinda petty and stupid. If you don't want Muslims, don't let them in. Don't let them in and then shit on their faith after the fact


How could we know the problems that would arise from our cultures interacting before they interacted?

Lol because le white man has no experience with Islam.
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Postby Benuty » Thu May 31, 2018 4:00 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Gharrow wrote:Then let them leave.

Maybe with a little "encouragement".


That's called ethnic cleansing and it's accepted to be a crime against humanity.

Depending on the nation, and whether they have the power or not to refuse to be humbled before international law.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 31, 2018 4:00 pm

Benuty wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:French thinking is best thinking

Hardly, the French savages are responsible for more war, and violence than the perfidious Anglo, scheming Turks, Protestant Germans, and crazy slavs combined.

Exactly. Life is more fun when you have something to hate
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu May 31, 2018 4:00 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Mutilating children is not the same thing as choosing to wear religious things of any sort.


Religion should be a private matter

Then so should ideology
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Postby Uxupox » Thu May 31, 2018 4:00 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Gharrow wrote:Then let them leave.

Maybe with a little "encouragement".


That's called ethnic cleansing and it's accepted to be a crime against humanity.


accepted by whom?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 31, 2018 4:00 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
How could we know the problems that would arise from our cultures interacting before they interacted?

Lol because le white man has no experience with Islam.


We don't have much experience of Muslim communities living side by side with Western communities as equals, no.
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Postby Great Mashriq » Thu May 31, 2018 4:01 pm

I think it’s great, the Burka is a sign of oppression, it’s not a choice. It’s there so that men don’t get lust. This ban is for the better.
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Postby Benuty » Thu May 31, 2018 4:01 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Lol because le white man has no experience with Islam.


We don't have much experience of Muslim communities living side by side with Western communities as equals, no.

Ouch.
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Postby Geneviev » Thu May 31, 2018 4:01 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Mutilating children is not the same thing as choosing to wear religious things of any sort.


Religion should be a private matter, and public displays of it and so on further divisions in society and prevent assimilation. What we are doing is not working, we need new approaches.

It would not be causing divisions if people learned to be more accepting. That's only not working because some people refuse to honour diversity.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 31, 2018 4:01 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Religion should be a private matter

Then so should ideology


Political uniforms are banned in the united kingdom and this is fine with me, so you're barking up the wrong tree there.
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Postby Uxupox » Thu May 31, 2018 4:01 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
thankfully we have our bill of rights.

The native nations aren’t in the bill of rights bucko


aren't they protected as American citizens though?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu May 31, 2018 4:01 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Lol because le white man has no experience with Islam.


We don't have much experience of Muslim communities living side by side with Western communities as equals, no.

We have had plenty of years of colonizing them
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 31, 2018 4:01 pm

Benuty wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
That's called ethnic cleansing and it's accepted to be a crime against humanity.

Depending on the nation, and whether they have the power or not to refuse to be humbled before international law.

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Postby Serrus » Thu May 31, 2018 4:02 pm

What in the fresh heck, Denmark?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu May 31, 2018 4:02 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
We don't have much experience of Muslim communities living side by side with Western communities as equals, no.

We have had plenty of years of colonizing them


It's not relevant to this problem.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 31, 2018 4:02 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Religion should be a private matter, and public displays of it and so on further divisions in society and prevent assimilation. What we are doing is not working, we need new approaches.

It would not be causing divisions if people learned to be more accepting. That's only not working because some people refuse to honour diversity.

This people should be more accepting thing hasn’t worked yet.
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