Tommy Robinson, grooming gang, wtf

[Khataiy]

The guy does have a reputation

[Fartsniffage]

no thanks. by the time the are found guilty or innocent their names and their persons will be already in the mud.

We knew about Bill Cosby before he was convicted of anything. I don't think that was a bad thing.

There is a risk of the court of public opinion getting it wrong... but the court of public opinion, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't need to operate by the terms and methods of the actual criminal justice system.

But when you're drawing your pool of jurors from the public then it becomes an issue.

[Liriena]

To be fair, I'm not entirely opposed to the media letting the public know the identities of people accused of being involved in some really major crimes before they are actually found guilty... […]

Why? By the time they’re found innocent, assuming, for the time being, that they are, their names would have been dragged through the mud by the court of public opinion. It wouldn’t even matter if they were innocent, that kind of thing would follow them for the rest of their lives.

Because, if we are talking about major crimes (and I do mean majors), I think it's the sort of information that needs to be of public knowledge. Even moreso if the accused or the victims are public figures.

I do admit that placing on the public the responsibility of not condemning someone until at least there's conclusive publicly known evidence against them is a bit too optimistic, but if I had to choose between a more informed public that may not know how to fairly judge the information provided and a less informed public, I'd choose the former.

[Liriena]

We knew about Bill Cosby before he was convicted of anything. I don't think that was a bad thing.

There is a risk of the court of public opinion getting it wrong... but the court of public opinion, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't need to operate by the terms and methods of the actual criminal justice system.

But when you're drawing your pool of jurors from the public then it becomes an issue.

Yes. The jury system makes things really difficult in this regard.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Why? By the time they’re found innocent, assuming, for the time being, that they are, their names would have been dragged through the mud by the court of public opinion. It wouldn’t even matter if they were innocent, that kind of thing would follow them for the rest of their lives.

Because, if we are talking about major crimes (and I do mean majors), I think it's the sort of information that needs to be of public knowledge. Even moreso if the accused or the victims are public figures.

I do admit that placing on the public the responsibility of not condemning someone until at least there's conclusive publicly known evidence against them is a bit too optimistic, but if I had to choose between a more informed public that may not know how to fairly judge the information provided and a less informed public, I'd choose the former.

I have to respectfully disagree. The public should know that a crime has been committed, of course, but the identity of the suspects should be withdrawn from the public until they’ve been found guilty. Trusting the public to not condemn the accused, regardless of whether they’re guilty or not, is, in my opinion, too optimistic.

[Fartsniffage]

But when you're drawing your pool of jurors from the public then it becomes an issue.

Yes. The jury system makes things really difficult in this regard.

So what advantage do you get if the public knows about the identities of charged but not convinced people?

[The Lone Alliance]

But when you're drawing your pool of jurors from the public then it becomes an issue.

Yes. The jury system makes things really difficult in this regard.

Yeah I think this is why they're trying to be silent on this, it makes perfect legal sense on their part. The problem is try convincing this to American Right Wingers who believe that it's the right to parade their names across times square.... British Far Right meanwhile are so paranoid that the police are going to fuck it up that they're making it a self fulfilling prophecy.

[Bombadil]

What is this weird thing on the far right that believes governments are involved in pedophilia rings?

[Fartsniffage]

What is this weird thing on the far right that believes governments are involved in pedophilia rings?

That's kinda a touchy subject in the UK......

[Bombadil]

What is this weird thing on the far right that believes governments are involved in pedophilia rings?

That's kinda a touchy subject in the UK......

Roseanne bangs on about it as well, I've seen it elsewhere.. I mean god knows the 70's was a heyday for pedophilia in the UK and I await the history books on Edward Heath alone but it's not just a UK thing, pizza gate.. it just seems these weird conspiracy theories are grouping together on the right wing.

EDIT:.. notes the potentially unintentional 'touchy' pun..

[Fartsniffage]

That's kinda a touchy subject in the UK......

Roseanne bangs on about it as well, I've seen it elsewhere.. I mean god knows the 70's was a heyday for pedophilia in the UK and I await the history books on Edward Heath alone but it's not just a UK thing, pizza gate.. it just seems these weird conspiracy theories are grouping together on the right wing.

EDIT:.. notes the potentially unintentional 'touchy' pun..

Have you heard of Cyril Smith?

[Yagon]

it just seems these weird conspiracy theories are grouping together on the right wing.

I think it's because most of the popular leftist conspiracy theories* wound up being true.

(*When I was a boy, they told me, "Don't listen to the crazy feminists who say women are being harmed by systemic discrimination, ignore the looney hippies who say the oil companies will corrupt the government and pollute the earth, pay no mind to those silly Black Panthers claiming the government could be involved in drug trafficking...")

[Bombadil]

Roseanne bangs on about it as well, I've seen it elsewhere.. I mean god knows the 70's was a heyday for pedophilia in the UK and I await the history books on Edward Heath alone but it's not just a UK thing, pizza gate.. it just seems these weird conspiracy theories are grouping together on the right wing.

EDIT:.. notes the potentially unintentional 'touchy' pun..

Have you heard of Cyril Smith?

I have now..

[Fartsniffage]

Have you heard of Cyril Smith?

I have now..

It really seems like it might have been a thing with British governments. Fucking bastards.

[Yagon]

Have you heard of Cyril Smith?

I have now..

Jebus Hey-soos Marimba, wtf....little kids, asbestos shill, protected at the highest levels. Wtf...

[Bombadil]

I have now..

It really seems like it might have been a thing with British governments. Fucking bastards.

Seems like it might have been a thing with the entire 70's and early 80's with Britain as a whole.. I've basically erased childhood TV from my memory

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Perhaps Tommy should take a closer look at his own organisation.

https://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2015/ ... offenders/

If the claims on this page are true, the far right groups like the EDL and BNP are quite a risk to children.

[Vassenor]

Perhaps Tommy should take a closer look at his own organisation.

https://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2015/ ... offenders/

If the claims on this page are true, the far right groups like the EDL and BNP are quite a risk to children.

It's almost as though they don't actually care about the kids and are just using them as a shield from criticism while they go off and be a bunch of racist assholes.

[Wallenburg]

Perhaps Tommy should take a closer look at his own organisation.

https://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2015/ ... offenders/

If the claims on this page are true, the far right groups like the EDL and BNP are quite a risk to children.

As is to be expected, people like him don't actually care about the safety of children, they just want to see brown people deported, jailed, or lynched, at any cost.

[United States of Oceania]

I would like to have your opinions about all those grooming-gang stories that happened in England. "Are you a alt-right support-" No, I'm just disgusting that no one had done anything because they fear the jugement of the others. I don't give a damn about ethnicity, colorskin or any of these useless things. When the Weinstein Scandal was big news, everyone was talking about how the guy was a monster. Yet, paedophiles are … okay ? Because excuse me but calling someone talking about CRIMINALS a nazi because it happened that the culprits are muslim/whatever is utter bullshit. "But that happpened 4 weeks ago" Yeah and no one talked about this here in France and I don't get why. So if anyone is from the UK, tell me your opinion.

I'm not a fan of rapes but I'm certainly glad that scumbag got arrested. Although I'm sure Your Majesty's white supremacist industry will find another thug to replace him.

[Herskerstad]

From what I understand, the breach of peace was justified in the context that the reporting and media generation of such could bias the judges decisions. So instead of say sequestration of the judges the British system elects to . . . .sequester the public I guess?

[Herskerstad]

I would like to have your opinions about all those grooming-gang stories that happened in England. "Are you a alt-right support-" No, I'm just disgusting that no one had done anything because they fear the jugement of the others. I don't give a damn about ethnicity, colorskin or any of these useless things. When the Weinstein Scandal was big news, everyone was talking about how the guy was a monster. Yet, paedophiles are … okay ? Because excuse me but calling someone talking about CRIMINALS a nazi because it happened that the culprits are muslim/whatever is utter bullshit. "But that happpened 4 weeks ago" Yeah and no one talked about this here in France and I don't get why. So if anyone is from the UK, tell me your opinion.

I'm not a fan of rapes but I'm certainly glad that scumbag got arrested. Although I'm sure Your Majesty's white supremacist industry will find another thug to replace him.

Oh the crown hired Tommy? That's fascinating, do you know where they take audiences by chance?

[United States of Oceania]

I'm not a fan of rapes but I'm certainly glad that scumbag got arrested. Although I'm sure Your Majesty's white supremacist industry will find another thug to replace him.

Oh the crown hired Tommy? That's fascinating, do you know where they take audiences by chance?

Tommy would just be an unknown dishwasher if someone didn't finance his Nazi propaganda campaigns.

For the audiences, ask Rupert Murdoch.

[Cedoria]

Yes, for the few things I've read.

Jimmy Robinsson was arrested this month due to "Breaking the peace" and is currently in prison for a period of 13 months. The thing that is upsetting is that according to some peoples and newspapers (don't ask me the names, I remember the Time and The Sun) he was exposing three mans about crimes they "had" (since I don't know) commited : sexual abuse on minors/underage girl/childrens. The thing is, I've already read about a similar thing back in 2017 when I was in England, about the arrestations of a grooming gang (a lot of the police officers were fearing te be labelled as racists).
First, if every things said about that whole grooming story is true, that's horrible to say the least. And why the ethnicity of somebody is a problem when we are talking crimes. Sorry for the lackluster, I'm not posting here very often.


EDIT : 3few things I've read" because I can't take RT, The Sun or The Times as a ultimate Word of Truth.

That's.... Got nothing to do with why he was arrested.

He was pre-supposing guilt of people who are still under trial. That has the potential to cause a serious mis-trial.


Seriously, what kind of idiot gets on the TV and runs his mouth for publicity when it contains a serious risk that it could let people who are very likely dangerous criminal offenders back on the street on the grounds of prejudicing a trial?

He got what he deserved for doing something that stupid, and was lucky it wasn't worse.

[Herskerstad]

Oh the crown hired Tommy? That's fascinating, do you know where they take audiences by chance?

Tommy would just be an unknown dishwasher if someone didn't finance his Nazi propaganda campaigns.

For the audiences, ask Rupert Murdoch.

A conspiracy between the Crown, Rupert Murdoch and Nazis, opposed to the British judicial system? You've got all the makings of a great B-movie there.