Tommy Robinson, grooming gang, wtf

[Bolkenia]

I would like to have your opinions about all those grooming-gang stories that happened in England. "Are you a alt-right support-" No, I'm just disgusting that no one had done anything because they fear the jugement of the others. I don't give a damn about ethnicity, colorskin or any of these useless things. When the Weinstein Scandal was big news, everyone was talking about how the guy was a monster. Yet, paedophiles are … okay ? Because excuse me but calling someone talking about CRIMINALS a nazi because it happened that the culprits are muslim/whatever is utter bullshit. "But that happpened 4 weeks ago" Yeah and no one talked about this here in France and I don't get why. So if anyone is from the UK, tell me your opinion.

[USS Monitor]

Could you provide some background info for people that might not be familiar with the story?

[Bolkenia]

Yes, for the few things I've read.

Jimmy Robinsson was arrested this month due to "Breaking the peace" and is currently in prison for a period of 13 months. The thing that is upsetting is that according to some peoples and newspapers (don't ask me the names, I remember the Time and The Sun) he was exposing three mans about crimes they "had" (since I don't know) commited : sexual abuse on minors/underage girl/childrens. The thing is, I've already read about a similar thing back in 2017 when I was in England, about the arrestations of a grooming gang (a lot of the police officers were fearing te be labelled as racists).
First, if every things said about that whole grooming story is true, that's horrible to say the least. And why the ethnicity of somebody is a problem when we are talking crimes. Sorry for the lackluster, I'm not posting here very often.


EDIT : 3few things I've read" because I can't take RT, The Sun or The Times as a ultimate Word of Truth.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

I doubt the OP is familiar with the story, they haven't even got the guy's name right.

[Bolkenia]

I doubt the OP is familiar with the story, they haven't even got the guy's name right.

I'm not familiar with the story at all, there little to no information available in French (beyond far-right websites which are … not the best place to gather the news).

[Starblaydia]

He deliberately filmed himself in a court building, where there are signs that says "filming or the taking of photographs is an offence and may be a contempt of court".

In that video he referred to defendants who were in court at the time as "Muslim paedophile rapists", which was found to be pejorative language that prejudges the case against the defendants. Which is influencing or intimidating the jury who were hearing the case at the time, which is also contempt of court.

Was subsequently found guilty of contempt of court. Duh.

Not seeing the drama here, except for an idiot who risked sparking a mistrial and letting the people he hates so much because of their religion go free, denying any victims justice while making a bigger name for himself in the media as some kind of patriotic justice seeker, rather than a cowardly racist moron.

Source: Crown Court Transcript.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

The serial offender Tommy Robinson was discussed in the UK politics thread.

[Zrhajan]

He deliberately filmed himself in a court building, where there are signs that says "filming or the taking of photographs is an offence and may be a contempt of court".

In that video he referred to defendants who were in court at the time as "Muslim paedophile rapists", which was found to be pejorative language that prejudges the case against the defendants. Which is influencing or intimidating the jury who were hearing the case at the time, which is also contempt of court.

Was subsequently found guilty of contempt of court. Duh.

Not seeing the drama here, except for an idiot who risked sparking a mistrial and letting the people he hates so much because of their religion go free, denying any victims justice while making a bigger name for himself in the media as some kind of patriotic justice seeker, rather than a cowardly racist moron.

Source: Crown Court Transcript.

Not to mention, IIRC, he already had a suspended sentence for doing the exact same thing last year. So it's hardly as though he wasn't aware of the possible consequences of breaking the rules of the courtroom.

[USS Monitor]

Starblaydia posting in my NSG!

Anyway, sounds like there is stuff that can be discussed here, so carry on.

[Bolkenia]

He deliberately filmed himself in a court building, where there are signs that says "filming or the taking of photographs is an offence and may be a contempt of court".

In that video he referred to defendants who were in court at the time as "Muslim paedophile rapists", which was found to be pejorative language that prejudges the case against the defendants. Which is influencing or intimidating the jury who were hearing the case at the time, which is also contempt of court.

Was subsequently found guilty of contempt of court. Duh.

Not seeing the drama here, except for an idiot who risked sparking a mistrial and letting the people he hates so much because of their religion go free, denying any victims justice while making a bigger name for himself in the media as some kind of patriotic justice seeker, rather than a cowardly racist moron.

Source: Crown Court Transcript.

Thank you for the clarification.

[Fartsniffage]

He deliberately filmed himself in a court building, where there are signs that says "filming or the taking of photographs is an offence and may be a contempt of court".

In that video he referred to defendants who were in court at the time as "Muslim paedophile rapists", which was found to be pejorative language that prejudges the case against the defendants. Which is influencing or intimidating the jury who were hearing the case at the time, which is also contempt of court.

Was subsequently found guilty of contempt of court. Duh.

Not seeing the drama here, except for an idiot who risked sparking a mistrial and letting the people he hates so much because of their religion go free, denying any victims justice while making a bigger name for himself in the media as some kind of patriotic justice seeker, rather than a cowardly racist moron.

Source: Crown Court Transcript.

Thank you for the clarification.

Any chance you could edit the title to Tommy Robinson? You might get more people interested.

[Starblaydia]

The guy claims that muslim sex trafficking gangs we see on the news are "unreported" and also completely ignores white sex trafficking gangs, whether they're reported on the news or not. It's all straight out of the far-right playbook, but somehow dumber (if that's even possible).

Starblaydia posting in my NSG!

Came for the World Cup Megathread, stayed to point out racists being racist.

[NERVUN]

For those of us outside the UK and unsure as to what happened or why (And why the OP is wrong), Snopes has a good write up as to they why and hows.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tommy ... on-arrest/

[The Lone Alliance]

For those of us outside the UK and unsure as to what happened or why (And why the OP is wrong), Snopes has a good write up as to they why and hows.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tommy ... on-arrest/

I think part of this is a values confusion between the US and the UK, in the US a mass rape trial usually ends up being made public pretty quickly, so some of the American Right Wingers can't understand that UK law is different.

Though there's also the fact that a lot of these cases of mass rape should have been taken care of years ago and weren't due to police incompetence, laziness, and other racial issues that just sends the far right into a frenzy anyway.

There's clearly an issue of a loss of faith in the system among the British Right anymore... it's ironic that they seem to be acting more like BLM in the sense that they think "The police don't think our lives matter". Except it's less a "The police are out to get us" and more a "The police are no longer defending us" and this media blackout, while it might be good for the trial, isn't good for appeasing their fears, enter people like Robinson to fill the void with tales of outrage.

Basically in a way the British are kind of screwed either way, if they didn't remove him the Accused rapists could use his presence to claim a mistrial or try to get off by playing the pity card, but by removing him they caused the far right and the media to notice the trial.

Which might have been his intention all along.

[Cekoviu]

For those of us outside the UK and unsure as to what happened or why (And why the OP is wrong), Snopes has a good write up as to they why and hows.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tommy ... on-arrest/

Ah, that makes much more sense. I don't necessarily agree with jailing people for simply filming a courtroom, though a fine would be understandable, but this appears far less noteworthy under British law.

[Fartsniffage]

For those of us outside the UK and unsure as to what happened or why (And why the OP is wrong), Snopes has a good write up as to they why and hows.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tommy ... on-arrest/

Ah, that makes much more sense. I don't necessarily agree with jailing people for simply filming a courtroom, though a fine would be understandable, but this appears far less noteworthy under British law.

The legal system tried to give him a bit of a pass with a suspended sentence the last time he broke this law. Then he did it again. A stint in porridge seems to be the only thing that sticks with this guy.

[Liriena]

On the one hand, I at least respect the person who, out of genuine journalistic passion, is willing to put their freedom on the line to give the people important information.

On the other hand, this dude sounds like a douche who was just trying to pull an attention-whoring political stunt and baiting the British justice system into martyrizing him.

[Liriena]

Which might have been his intention all along.

We've got a winner!

[Liriena]

He deliberately filmed himself in a court building, where there are signs that says "filming or the taking of photographs is an offence and may be a contempt of court".

In that video he referred to defendants who were in court at the time as "Muslim paedophile rapists", which was found to be pejorative language that prejudges the case against the defendants. Which is influencing or intimidating the jury who were hearing the case at the time, which is also contempt of court.

Was subsequently found guilty of contempt of court. Duh.

Not seeing the drama here, except for an idiot who risked sparking a mistrial and letting the people he hates so much because of their religion go free, denying any victims justice while making a bigger name for himself in the media as some kind of patriotic justice seeker, rather than a cowardly racist moron.

Source: Crown Court Transcript.

And now we have chuds all over the world sharing dumbass cartoons and memes defending his stupid ass.

I love free speech, goddammit, but this new "freeze peach" movement seems more and more like a bunch of gullible idiots and cynical propagandists who refuse to properly read stuff before commenting.

[Fartsniffage]

Which might have been his intention all along.

We've got a winner!

The media were fully aware of the trial. They were just following the law and waiting until the people involved were actually found guilty before denouncing them as Muslim peadophiles.

[Liriena]

We've got a winner!

The media were fully aware of the trial. They were just following the law and waiting until the people involved were actually found guilty before denouncing them as Muslim peadophiles.

To be fair, I'm not entirely opposed to the media letting the public know the identities of people accused of being involved in some really major crimes before they are actually found guilty... but the hows and whys matter.

[Uxupox]

The media were fully aware of the trial. They were just following the law and waiting until the people involved were actually found guilty before denouncing them as Muslim peadophiles.

To be fair, I'm not entirely opposed to the media letting the public know the identities of people accused of being involved in some really major crimes before they are actually found guilty... but the hows and whys matter.

no thanks. by the time the are found guilty or innocent their names and their persons will be already in the mud.

[Fartsniffage]

The media were fully aware of the trial. They were just following the law and waiting until the people involved were actually found guilty before denouncing them as Muslim peadophiles.

To be fair, I'm not entirely opposed to the media letting the public know the identities of people accused of being involved in some really major crimes before they are actually found guilty... but the hows and whys matter.

We don't know the hows and the whys in this case. But it's often the case in grooming and child abuse trials that the identities of the defendants are withheld to protect the anonymity of the victims.

What we do know is that the judge in the case had put a gag order in place over and above the normal protection given to those involved in a criminal case.

[Liriena]

To be fair, I'm not entirely opposed to the media letting the public know the identities of people accused of being involved in some really major crimes before they are actually found guilty... but the hows and whys matter.

no thanks. by the time the are found guilty or innocent their names and their persons will be already in the mud.

We knew about Bill Cosby before he was convicted of anything. I don't think that was a bad thing.

There is a risk of the court of public opinion getting it wrong... but the court of public opinion, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't need to operate by the terms and methods of the actual criminal justice system.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

The media were fully aware of the trial. They were just following the law and waiting until the people involved were actually found guilty before denouncing them as Muslim peadophiles.

To be fair, I'm not entirely opposed to the media letting the public know the identities of people accused of being involved in some really major crimes before they are actually found guilty... […]

Why? By the time they’re found innocent, assuming, for the time being, that they are, their names would have been dragged through the mud by the court of public opinion. It wouldn’t even matter if they were innocent, that kind of thing would follow them for the rest of their lives.