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Uiiop wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Coward. Respect the decision made with money.

You opened this up with your decision to make this thread.

He basically said that you can do that though.


Speaking of which...

That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

Black Koyunlu wrote:

Uiiop wrote:He basically said that you can do that though.


Speaking of which...

That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

That seems like an excessive number of tabs you have open.

Uiiop wrote:

Xerographica wrote:The moderation team doesn't need to set up anything. All you need to do is start a thread... "Should Xero Stay Or Go?" and include a voting poll and a donating poll. Plus you'd need some sort of reasonable time limit. If you were to start such a thread, you should give me a few days to prepare my defense before you posted the thread.

That might be the case but i don't know what the mods would think of a thread that personal.

Black Koyunlu wrote:

Uiiop wrote:He basically said that you can do that though.


Speaking of which...

That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

That seems like an excessive number of tabs you have open.

Xerographica wrote:

Uiiop wrote:He basically said that you can do that though.


Speaking of which...

That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

According to the rules of donating polls, donations made prior to the creation of the poll can't be applied to it.

Xerographica wrote:

Black Koyunlu wrote:That seems like an excessive number of tabs you have open.

Good call. I totally missed that.

Xerographica wrote:

Martian Alliance wrote:The idea that you can't have opinions without spending money is absurd.

Why would anybody have this idea when everyone can clearly see that that the nine voters did not spend any money?

Consider this...

Speaking of Brexit: the difference between the UK liberal media’s treatment of the massive vote for abortion rights in Ireland and the massive vote for Brexit in Britain (17.4m votes, the most for anything in British history, as if you needed reminding) is staggering, if also depressingly unsurprising. In their flighty view, Brexit was the work of plebs brainwashed by a bus, while the the repeal of the Eighth was the work of an enlightened people. Brexit is scary and dangerous and therefore we should call it off; the repeal of the Eighth is brilliant and wonderful and therefore we should see it through. Brexit confirmed democracy is a terrible idea; the repeal of the Eighth shows it is a great idea. And on it goes, hypocrisy upon hypocrisy, anti-democratic wailing one minute, pro-democracy weeping the next. They support democracy, not in principle, but only if it gives them what they want. - Brendan O'Neill, Ireland’s referendum shows that some people only like democracy when it gives them what they want

Do you think Brexit still would have happened if voting had been replaced with donating? Do you think Trump still would have been elected?

In order to have a truly informed opinion about whether voting is better than donating at ranking things, you first need to compare their results.

Uiiop wrote:

Xerographica wrote:According to the rules of donating polls, donations made prior to the creation of the poll can't be applied to it.

Fine. Can I be the OP though?

I promise to donate again only after posting it.

Black Koyunlu wrote:

Xerographica wrote:Good call. I totally missed that.

I'm sorry, I can't take your agreement seriously unless you back it up with payment.

I accept most major credit cards, paypal, and cash.

Xerographica wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
I don't have that power. You should go ask the moderation team to set things up.

The moderation team doesn't need to set up anything. All you need to do is start a thread... "Should Xero Stay Or Go?" and include a voting poll and a donating poll. Plus you'd need some sort of reasonable time limit. If you were to start such a thread, you should give me a few days to prepare my defense before you posted the thread.

Martian Alliance wrote:Policies that are implemented based on money is just corruption though. It guarantees that the people with the most money to spend get the policies that benefit them in an endless loop, endlessly enlarging the wealth gap. Sure, the amount of money might be an amount everyone can afford like a maximum of 1$. However, this would just be the same as regular voting because it's accessible to all people.

Xerographica wrote:

Uiiop wrote:That might be the case but i don't know what the mods would think of a thread that personal.

Are you kidding me? Who do you think would be donating the most money to have me gone?

Uiiop wrote:Apparently not.
So what is it going to be then?
We all just do it by TG or IRC or something?

[violet] wrote:Monetization/Gambling: It is against site rules to use money, a substitute thereof, or any good/service with equitable use (NS Store purchases, game keys or vouchers, e-giftcards, etc.) to incentivize or monetize any activity on NationStates, to include but not be limited to: joining or participating in a region, joining or participating in a thread, joining an alliance (roleplay or gameplay), etc. Similarly, it is against site rules to use the same as a "reward" for participation in any of the aforementioned or any "game," "contest," etc.

Kyrusia wrote:

Uiiop wrote:Apparently not.
So what is it going to be then?
We all just do it by TG or IRC or something?

Before anyone does anything, it'd behoove everyone to appraise themselves of a certain rule (emphasis added):

[violet] wrote:Monetization/Gambling: It is against site rules to use money, a substitute thereof, or any good/service with equitable use (NS Store purchases, game keys or vouchers, e-giftcards, etc.) to incentivize or monetize any activity on NationStates, to include but not be limited to: joining or participating in a region, joining or participating in a thread, joining an alliance (roleplay or gameplay), etc. Similarly, it is against site rules to use the same as a "reward" for participation in any of the aforementioned or any "game," "contest," etc.

Xerographica wrote:

Galloism wrote:Max Barry buys more beer?

Why do you think it's wasteful if I want to buy a beer or two for Max Barry?

Uiiop wrote:This might also mean that this thread(and one of my posts) is rule breaking Mea cupla in that case.

Neutraligon wrote:

Galloism wrote:Max Barry buys more beer?

What beer would cost $1-2 that you actually want to drink?

Kyrusia wrote:

Uiiop wrote:This might also mean that this thread(and one of my posts) is rule breaking Mea cupla in that case.

This thread isn't incentivizing activity as a reward or otherwise monetizing an activity; thus far, it's been ruled to be acceptable. If players want to purchase things from the NS Store - or say they have - and randomly participate here, it's acceptable.

Uiiop wrote:

Xerographica wrote:Are you kidding me? Who do you think would be donating the most money to have me gone?

Apparently not.
So what is it going to be then?
We all just do it by TG or IRC or something?

Xerographica wrote:

Uiiop wrote:That might be the case but i don't know what the mods would think of a thread that personal.

Are you kidding me? Who do you think would be donating the most money to have me gone?

The Holy Therns wrote:IM, of course. You both say quirky things but you only have one to say, IM says a lot of different ones.

The Two Jerseys wrote:

Xerographica wrote:So it would have been better if I didn't make a donation to this forum? Most economists agree that free-riding is a real problem. For me personally the survey question motivated me to be less of a free-rider. Is there any survey question that would motivate you to be less of a free-rider?

Oh for crying out loud...

The free-rider problem does not apply to this site.

Galloism wrote:

Xerographica wrote:Here are 10 books...

1. The Origin Of Species
2. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone
3. The Cat in the Hat
4. 50 Shades of Grey
5. Principia
6. The Bible
7. War and Peace
8. 12 Rules For Life
9. A Theory of Justice
10. The Wealth of Nations

Imagine if NS members used voting and donating to rank these books. Would voting or donating rank 50 Shades of Grey higher?

In the sense that your thread proves you’re the only one who will voluntarily and wastefully spend money to express an opinion on a public forum, so you and only you will determine the “ranking” via spending, I guess it would depend on how you feel about fifty shades of grey.

Uiiop wrote:Speaking of which...

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That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

Xerographica wrote:

The Holy Therns wrote:IM, of course. You both say quirky things but you only have one to say, IM says a lot of different ones.

Here are some of the different things that I've said...

The absence of horses in the Americas primarily explains the lack of progress.
Carrying is why we're exceptionally intelligent.
Adequately intelligent robots won't argue.
In 200 years I'll be resurrected by a very godlike AI named Seldon.
We should be angry that the Rose Bowl murdered Syncaris pasadenae.

Admittedly I do primarily post about people using their money to rank things. This is simply because it's by far the most important thing to discuss.

The Two Jerseys wrote:Oh for crying out loud...

The free-rider problem does not apply to this site.

Oh, you underlined it, so it must be true. Why do you think the free-rider problem doesn't apply to this site? Because this site has ads? What if the reason why this site has ads is because people don't donate enough to cover the cost of the site?

Galloism wrote:In the sense that your thread proves you’re the only one who will voluntarily and wastefully spend money to express an opinion on a public forum, so you and only you will determine the “ranking” via spending, I guess it would depend on how you feel about fifty shades of grey.

When you have to resort to arguing that it's a waste to make a donation to NS, then it should be obvious that you're messing up.

Uiiop wrote:Speaking of which...

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That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

Over 2000 years ago a bunch of voters got together and murdered Socrates. They wanted him dead, and they got what they wanted without having to spend a dime. My words can't adequately articulate the horror of this. Yesterday you spent $10 dollars to communicate that you want me gone. You didn't just vote for what you wanted, you spent for it. You made a personal sacrifice. Naturally I don't support what you want, but I strongly support the fact that you were willing to pay something for it. Thanks to your sacrifice, the spirit of Socrates smiled.

You should create a thread asking people whether or not they want Trump gone. Participants would vote and/or donate for their preferred option. How big of a sacrifice will people be willing to make? I don't know. I don't know this forum's demand against Trump... and I don't know this forum's demand for Trump. I'm sure that Trump supporters are the minority but maybe they will be willing to donate more than the Trump opposers.

Because of forum rules, which I naturally do not agree with, you can't be the OP for my trial, but you can be the OP for Trump's trial.

Xerographica wrote:

Galloism wrote:In the sense that your thread proves you’re the only one who will voluntarily and wastefully spend money to express an opinion on a public forum, so you and only you will determine the “ranking” via spending, I guess it would depend on how you feel about fifty shades of grey.

When you have to resort to arguing that it's a waste to make a donation to NS, then it should be obvious that you're messing up.