The Relationship Between Cooperation And Feedback

[Xerographica]

Coward. Respect the decision made with money.

You opened this up with your decision to make this thread.

He basically said that you can do that though.


Speaking of which...

That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

According to the rules of donating polls, donations made prior to the creation of the poll can't be applied to it.

[Xerographica]

He basically said that you can do that though.


Speaking of which...

That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

That seems like an excessive number of tabs you have open.

Good call. I totally missed that.

[Xerographica]

The moderation team doesn't need to set up anything. All you need to do is start a thread... "Should Xero Stay Or Go?" and include a voting poll and a donating poll. Plus you'd need some sort of reasonable time limit. If you were to start such a thread, you should give me a few days to prepare my defense before you posted the thread.

That might be the case but i don't know what the mods would think of a thread that personal.

Are you kidding me? Who do you think would be donating the most money to have me gone?

[Uiiop]

He basically said that you can do that though.


Speaking of which...

That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

That seems like an excessive number of tabs you have open.

Fair point.

BRB wrting to the mods.

[Uiiop]

He basically said that you can do that though.


Speaking of which...

That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

According to the rules of donating polls, donations made prior to the creation of the poll can't be applied to it.

Fine. Can I be the OP though?

I promise to donate again only after posting it.

[Black Koyunlu]

That seems like an excessive number of tabs you have open.

Good call. I totally missed that.

I'm sorry, I can't take your agreement seriously unless you back it up with payment.

I accept most major credit cards, paypal, and cash.

[Martian Alliance]

The idea that you can't have opinions without spending money is absurd.

Why would anybody have this idea when everyone can clearly see that that the nine voters did not spend any money?

Consider this...

Speaking of Brexit: the difference between the UK liberal media’s treatment of the massive vote for abortion rights in Ireland and the massive vote for Brexit in Britain (17.4m votes, the most for anything in British history, as if you needed reminding) is staggering, if also depressingly unsurprising. In their flighty view, Brexit was the work of plebs brainwashed by a bus, while the the repeal of the Eighth was the work of an enlightened people. Brexit is scary and dangerous and therefore we should call it off; the repeal of the Eighth is brilliant and wonderful and therefore we should see it through. Brexit confirmed democracy is a terrible idea; the repeal of the Eighth shows it is a great idea. And on it goes, hypocrisy upon hypocrisy, anti-democratic wailing one minute, pro-democracy weeping the next. They support democracy, not in principle, but only if it gives them what they want. - Brendan O'Neill, Ireland’s referendum shows that some people only like democracy when it gives them what they want

Do you think Brexit still would have happened if voting had been replaced with donating? Do you think Trump still would have been elected?

In order to have a truly informed opinion about whether voting is better than donating at ranking things, you first need to compare their results.

Sorry took a long time to get back to this post. Under a direct democracy Hillary would have won the election. Under a money based voting system she would win too because she had more corporate donors. I don't think money should influence election's at all, people who run for office should actually have a maximum salary to guarantee ideas have a greater impact than fundraising. This may sound crazy to you, but being the president is supposed to be a public service so you should be able to take a sacrifice like that if you truly believe your policies will help the public.

I don't know enough about the UK to know how money would effect Brexit. I don't know enough about Brexit to form an opinion about it, but whatever cause the wealthy elite paid for would likely only serve to enrich them.

Policies that are implemented based on money is just corruption though. It guarantees that the people with the most money to spend get the policies that benefit them in an endless loop, endlessly enlarging the wealth gap. Sure, the amount of money might be an amount everyone can afford like a maximum of 1$. However, this would just be the same as regular voting because it's accessible to all people.

[Xerographica]

According to the rules of donating polls, donations made prior to the creation of the poll can't be applied to it.

Fine. Can I be the OP though?

I promise to donate again only after posting it.

Sure, you can be the OP. But you have to give me a few days warning before you post it.

[Xerographica]

Good call. I totally missed that.

I'm sorry, I can't take your agreement seriously unless you back it up with payment.

I accept most major credit cards, paypal, and cash.

Sure, Telegram me your Paypal and I'll send you 3 cents.

[Kyrusia]

I don't have that power. You should go ask the moderation team to set things up.

The moderation team doesn't need to set up anything. All you need to do is start a thread... "Should Xero Stay Or Go?" and include a voting poll and a donating poll. Plus you'd need some sort of reasonable time limit. If you were to start such a thread, you should give me a few days to prepare my defense before you posted the thread.

We're not going to open the door to this sort of thing; it's inviting baiting and flaming. Such a thread would be locked, whether the player it was targeting "consented" to the topic or not. If y'all want to discuss why you should stay/go/whatever, take it to telegrams.

[Xerographica]

Policies that are implemented based on money is just corruption though. It guarantees that the people with the most money to spend get the policies that benefit them in an endless loop, endlessly enlarging the wealth gap. Sure, the amount of money might be an amount everyone can afford like a maximum of 1$. However, this would just be the same as regular voting because it's accessible to all people.

If what you are saying about spending is true, then it wouldn't only be applicable to political spending... it would be applicable to all spending. It either is, or isn't, beneficial for some people to have more influence than others.

Obviously I think it is beneficial for influence to be unequally distributed. But my main point is that voting and spending can be easily compared, relatively speaking. We need to use science to understand economics. We can disagree about economics, but we should agree about the necessity of science.

[Uiiop]

That might be the case but i don't know what the mods would think of a thread that personal.

Are you kidding me? Who do you think would be donating the most money to have me gone?

Apparently not.
So what is it going to be then?
We all just do it by TG or IRC or something?

[Kyrusia]

Apparently not.
So what is it going to be then?
We all just do it by TG or IRC or something?

Before anyone does anything, it'd behoove everyone to appraise themselves of a certain rule (emphasis added):

Monetization/Gambling: It is against site rules to use money, a substitute thereof, or any good/service with equitable use (NS Store purchases, game keys or vouchers, e-giftcards, etc.) to incentivize or monetize any activity on NationStates, to include but not be limited to: joining or participating in a region, joining or participating in a thread, joining an alliance (roleplay or gameplay), etc. Similarly, it is against site rules to use the same as a "reward" for participation in any of the aforementioned or any "game," "contest," etc.

[Uiiop]

Apparently not.
So what is it going to be then?
We all just do it by TG or IRC or something?

Before anyone does anything, it'd behoove everyone to appraise themselves of a certain rule (emphasis added):

Monetization/Gambling: It is against site rules to use money, a substitute thereof, or any good/service with equitable use (NS Store purchases, game keys or vouchers, e-giftcards, etc.) to incentivize or monetize any activity on NationStates, to include but not be limited to: joining or participating in a region, joining or participating in a thread, joining an alliance (roleplay or gameplay), etc. Similarly, it is against site rules to use the same as a "reward" for participation in any of the aforementioned or any "game," "contest," etc.

Huh. Thanks for the reminder.
What about another place that accepts donations then?

This might also mean that this thread(and one of my posts) is rule breaking Mea cupla in that case.

[Galloism]

Max Barry buys more beer?

Why do you think it's wasteful if I want to buy a beer or two for Max Barry?

Compared with buying a beer for yourself?

[Kyrusia]

This might also mean that this thread(and one of my posts) is rule breaking Mea cupla in that case.

This thread isn't incentivizing activity as a reward or otherwise monetizing an activity; thus far, it's been ruled to be acceptable. If players want to purchase things from the NS Store - or say they have - and randomly participate here, it's acceptable.

[Galloism]

Max Barry buys more beer?

What beer would cost $1-2 that you actually want to drink?

There is such a thing as happy hour. There's a little Mexican place that has Dos Equis Amber on tap, and from 5-7, it's $1 a pop.

[Uiiop]

This might also mean that this thread(and one of my posts) is rule breaking Mea cupla in that case.

This thread isn't incentivizing activity as a reward or otherwise monetizing an activity; thus far, it's been ruled to be acceptable. If players want to purchase things from the NS Store - or say they have - and randomly participate here, it's acceptable.

While true it doesn't quite apply to what i just posted in the moderation thread.

[Xerographica]

Are you kidding me? Who do you think would be donating the most money to have me gone?

Apparently not.
So what is it going to be then?
We all just do it by TG or IRC or something?

Off the top of my head I can't think of any alternatives that would guarantee the same amount of participation.

[The Blaatschapen]

That might be the case but i don't know what the mods would think of a thread that personal.

Are you kidding me? Who do you think would be donating the most money to have me gone?

Violet *nods*

[The Holy Therns]

IM, of course. You both say quirky things but you only have one to say, IM says a lot of different ones.

[Xerographica]

IM, of course. You both say quirky things but you only have one to say, IM says a lot of different ones.

Here are some of the different things that I've said...

The absence of horses in the Americas primarily explains the lack of progress.
Carrying is why we're exceptionally intelligent.
Adequately intelligent robots won't argue.
In 200 years I'll be resurrected by a very godlike AI named Seldon.
We should be angry that the Rose Bowl murdered Syncaris pasadenae.

Admittedly I do primarily post about people using their money to rank things. This is simply because it's by far the most important thing to discuss.

So it would have been better if I didn't make a donation to this forum? Most economists agree that free-riding is a real problem. For me personally the survey question motivated me to be less of a free-rider. Is there any survey question that would motivate you to be less of a free-rider?

Oh for crying out loud...

The free-rider problem does not apply to this site.

Oh, you underlined it, so it must be true. Why do you think the free-rider problem doesn't apply to this site? Because this site has ads? What if the reason why this site has ads is because people don't donate enough to cover the cost of the site?

Here are 10 books...

1. The Origin Of Species
2. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone
3. The Cat in the Hat
4. 50 Shades of Grey
5. Principia
6. The Bible
7. War and Peace
8. 12 Rules For Life
9. A Theory of Justice
10. The Wealth of Nations

Imagine if NS members used voting and donating to rank these books. Would voting or donating rank 50 Shades of Grey higher?

In the sense that your thread proves you’re the only one who will voluntarily and wastefully spend money to express an opinion on a public forum, so you and only you will determine the “ranking” via spending, I guess it would depend on how you feel about fifty shades of grey.

When you have to resort to arguing that it's a waste to make a donation to NS, then it should be obvious that you're messing up.

Speaking of which...

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That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

Over 2000 years ago a bunch of voters got together and murdered Socrates. They wanted him dead, and they got what they wanted without having to spend a dime. My words can't adequately articulate the horror of this. Yesterday you spent $10 dollars to communicate that you want me gone. You didn't just vote for what you wanted, you spent for it. You made a personal sacrifice. Naturally I don't support what you want, but I strongly support the fact that you were willing to pay something for it. Thanks to your sacrifice, the spirit of Socrates smiled.

You should create a thread asking people whether or not they want Trump gone. Participants would vote and/or donate for their preferred option. How big of a sacrifice will people be willing to make? I don't know. I don't know this forum's demand against Trump... and I don't know this forum's demand for Trump. I'm sure that Trump supporters are the minority but maybe they will be willing to donate more than the Trump opposers.

Because of forum rules, which I naturally do not agree with, you can't be the OP for my trial, but you can be the OP for Trump's trial.

[Infected Mushroom]

IM, of course. You both say quirky things but you only have one to say, IM says a lot of different ones.

Here are some of the different things that I've said...

The absence of horses in the Americas primarily explains the lack of progress.
Carrying is why we're exceptionally intelligent.
Adequately intelligent robots won't argue.
In 200 years I'll be resurrected by a very godlike AI named Seldon.
We should be angry that the Rose Bowl murdered Syncaris pasadenae.

Admittedly I do primarily post about people using their money to rank things. This is simply because it's by far the most important thing to discuss.

Oh for crying out loud...

The free-rider problem does not apply to this site.

Oh, you underlined it, so it must be true. Why do you think the free-rider problem doesn't apply to this site? Because this site has ads? What if the reason why this site has ads is because people don't donate enough to cover the cost of the site?

In the sense that your thread proves you’re the only one who will voluntarily and wastefully spend money to express an opinion on a public forum, so you and only you will determine the “ranking” via spending, I guess it would depend on how you feel about fifty shades of grey.

When you have to resort to arguing that it's a waste to make a donation to NS, then it should be obvious that you're messing up.

Speaking of which...

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That'll be about $9 for the "Xero stops posting here fund."

Over 2000 years ago a bunch of voters got together and murdered Socrates. They wanted him dead, and they got what they wanted without having to spend a dime. My words can't adequately articulate the horror of this. Yesterday you spent $10 dollars to communicate that you want me gone. You didn't just vote for what you wanted, you spent for it. You made a personal sacrifice. Naturally I don't support what you want, but I strongly support the fact that you were willing to pay something for it. Thanks to your sacrifice, the spirit of Socrates smiled.

You should create a thread asking people whether or not they want Trump gone. Participants would vote and/or donate for their preferred option. How big of a sacrifice will people be willing to make? I don't know. I don't know this forum's demand against Trump... and I don't know this forum's demand for Trump. I'm sure that Trump supporters are the minority but maybe they will be willing to donate more than the Trump opposers.

Because of forum rules, which I naturally do not agree with, you can't be the OP for my trial, but you can be the OP for Trump's trial.

I would very much like to see this... a trial for Trump

perhaps Trump himself would show up to donate to protect his own name; his honour would be at stake too (now wouldn't that be a day to remember?)

[Galloism]

In the sense that your thread proves you’re the only one who will voluntarily and wastefully spend money to express an opinion on a public forum, so you and only you will determine the “ranking” via spending, I guess it would depend on how you feel about fifty shades of grey.

When you have to resort to arguing that it's a waste to make a donation to NS, then it should be obvious that you're messing up.

Either you were going to make a donation to NS anyway in exchange for the good feels (The Max Barry Beer Fund thanks you), in which case you have made no sacrifice as you were just doing what you were going to do anyway, or you are donating to party A (again the Max Barry Beer Fund thanks you) in an attempt to show how strong you feel about something to party B, which is just weird and makes no sense.

I mean, I paid my electric bill this morning. It was $83.17.

I'd like to allocate 100% of that to Xero never bringing up "using money to rank things" ever again. Make sense?

[Chestaan]

I like IM's threads, he clearly thinks a different way and it opens up new avenues for discussion. I liked Xero's thread for like the first time even though I disagreed with it but at this stage I'm kind of sick of seeing the exact same topic being re-done twenty thousand times.