The Right to Revolution

[The Parkus Empire]

I am because this amounts to the same thing as a government having the right to order, since the government is considered to be a higher authority on what you consent to than you are.

Perhaps they are by you.

Nay, by you. I do not consider inmates to be consenting to their condition, you do.

[The Parkus Empire]

No, there is not. The governing authorities are instituted by God, and the people should not abolish them, because we asked for them to be instituted in the first place against God's will.

t. Saint Michael

[Telconi]

Perhaps they are by you.

Nay, by you. I do not consider inmates to be consenting to their condition, you do.

If they are consenting, the government is not of higher authority. If they are not, the government is of higher authority.

[Klorgia1]

Revolution is a natural human phenomena which, while usually bloody, isn't necessarily bad. Therefore while it is a 'right' of people to revolt, it doesn't matter if people think it is or not, as it will happen anyway. As long as circumstances permit, there is revolution.

[The Parkus Empire]

Nay, by you. I do not consider inmates to be consenting to their condition, you do.

If they are consenting, the government is not of higher authority. If they are not, the government is of higher authority.

It is indeed, but not of a higher authority to determine their consent, rather of a higher authority in the sense of being able to overrule their consent.

[United Muscovite Nations]

No, there is not. The governing authorities are instituted by God, and the people should not abolish them, because we asked for them to be instituted in the first place against God's will.

Wait.
What?

God told the Jewish people not to establish a state, because it would mean the state would oppress them, but they did anyway, so God gave the monarchy the power to rule them and refused to take the yolk off when the Israelites tired of it.

[Uxupox]

Wait.
What?

God told the Jewish people not to establish a state, because it would mean the state would oppress them, but they did anyway, so God gave the monarchy the power to rule them and refused to take the yolk off when the Israelites tired of it.

absolutely repentant.

[New Emeline]

God told the Jewish people not to establish a state, because it would mean the state would oppress them

Wait, God's an anarchist?

[Uxupox]

God told the Jewish people not to establish a state, because it would mean the state would oppress them

Wait, God's an anarchist?

He is everything.

[The Parkus Empire]

God told the Jewish people not to establish a state, because it would mean the state would oppress them

Wait, God's an anarchist?

Time 4u to read The Brothers Karamazov

[United Muscovite Nations]

God told the Jewish people not to establish a state, because it would mean the state would oppress them

Wait, God's an anarchist?

1 Samuel 8 King James Version (KJV)

8 And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.

2 Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beersheba.

3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.

4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,

5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.

7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.

9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

10 And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that asked of him a king.

11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.

12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.

13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.

14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.

15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.

16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his slaves.

18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.

19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;

20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.

21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the Lord.

22 And the Lord said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.

[Pope Joan]

Our Declaration of independence says yes there is such a right. That is one reason why homeowners were urged to keep firearms, and in some states were required to do so.

[The Parkus Empire]

Wait, God's an anarchist?

1 Samuel 8 King James Version (KJV)

8 And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.

2 Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beersheba.

3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.

4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,

5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.

6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the Lord.

7 And the Lord said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.

8 According to all the works which they have done since the day that I brought them up out of Egypt even unto this day, wherewith they have forsaken me, and served other gods, so do they also unto thee.

9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them.

10 And Samuel told all the words of the Lord unto the people that asked of him a king.

11 And he said, This will be the manner of the king that shall reign over you: He will take your sons, and appoint them for himself, for his chariots, and to be his horsemen; and some shall run before his chariots.

12 And he will appoint him captains over thousands, and captains over fifties; and will set them to ear his ground, and to reap his harvest, and to make his instruments of war, and instruments of his chariots.

13 And he will take your daughters to be confectionaries, and to be cooks, and to be bakers.

14 And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants.

15 And he will take the tenth of your seed, and of your vineyards, and give to his officers, and to his servants.

16 And he will take your menservants, and your maidservants, and your goodliest young men, and your asses, and put them to his work.

17 He will take the tenth of your sheep: and ye shall be his slaves.

18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.

19 Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, Nay; but we will have a king over us;

20 That we also may be like all the nations; and that our king may judge us, and go out before us, and fight our battles.

21 And Samuel heard all the words of the people, and he rehearsed them in the ears of the Lord.

22 And the Lord said to Samuel, Hearken unto their voice, and make them a king. And Samuel said unto the men of Israel, Go ye every man unto his city.

But let us not be confused. There was a state, a land and a people I mean, and laws enforced by punishment, prior.

[Telconi]

If they are consenting, the government is not of higher authority. If they are not, the government is of higher authority.

It is indeed, but not of a higher authority to determine their consent, rather of a higher authority in the sense of being able to overrule their consent.

But it cannot, the government has no method to compel a person's actions beyond choice. A person in jail is in jail because they allowed themselves to be arrested. They could have committed suicide, they could have fought the police until death, they could have not done whatever crime they originally did that caused such an occurrence in the first place. By their actions, or lack hereof, they are ultimately in jail of their own volition.

[The Parkus Empire]

Our Declaration of independence says yes there is such a right. That is one reason why homeowners were urged to keep firearms, and in some states were required to do so.

The Declaration of Independence doesn't actually make a case, however. But even so it doesn't say revolution is a right for any time, but only a last resort after repeated injustices and *usurpations*

[The Parkus Empire]

It is indeed, but not of a higher authority to determine their consent, rather of a higher authority in the sense of being able to overrule their consent.

But it cannot, the government has no method to compel a person's actions beyond choice. A person in jail is in jail because they allowed themselves to be arrested. They could have committed suicide, they could have fought the police until death, they could have not done whatever crime they originally did that caused such an occurrence in the first place. By their actions, or lack hereof, they are ultimately in jail of their own volition.

A government can kill you.

[Telconi]

But it cannot, the government has no method to compel a person's actions beyond choice. A person in jail is in jail because they allowed themselves to be arrested. They could have committed suicide, they could have fought the police until death, they could have not done whatever crime they originally did that caused such an occurrence in the first place. By their actions, or lack hereof, they are ultimately in jail of their own volition.

A government can kill you.

Indeed, which isn't relevant. Or, is relevant to my own argument truly.

[United Muscovite Nations]

But let us not be confused. There was a state, a land and a people I mean, and laws enforced by punishment, prior.

They were ruled by the Prophet Samuel, their Law was from God and not from men. They rejected the rule of God and instituted the rule of men, and that was folly on their part, but it will not be changed until the Kingdom not of this world has been established.

[The Parkus Empire]

A government can kill you.

Indeed, which isn't relevant. Or, is relevant to my own argument truly.

Your argument is essentially, "You can always choose death (the ultimate punishment) over a more lenient punishment, so the government can't punish you without your consent."

[The Parkus Empire]

But let us not be confused. There was a state, a land and a people I mean, and laws enforced by punishment, prior.

They were ruled by the Prophet Samuel, their Law was from God and not from men. They rejected the rule of God and instituted the rule of men, and that was folly on their part, but it will not be changed until the Kingdom not of this world has been established.

Anarchists make the same choice

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Wait.
What?

God told the Jewish people not to establish a state, because it would mean the state would oppress them, but they did anyway, so God gave the monarchy the power to rule them and refused to take the yolk off when the Israelites tired of it.

They really had egg on their faces after that.

[Telconi]

Indeed, which isn't relevant. Or, is relevant to my own argument truly.

Your argument is essentially, "You can always choose death (the ultimate punishment) over a more lenient punishment, so the government can't punish you without your consent."

Death is not always worse than incarceration.

[Reikoku]

Wait.
What?

God told the Jewish people not to establish a state, because it would mean the state would oppress them, but they did anyway, so God gave the monarchy the power to rule them and refused to take the yolk off when the Israelites tired of it.

Most of us aren't Jewish to begin with, and pre-monarchical Judea was still a state. Just a kritarchy rather than monarchy.

[The Parkus Empire]

God told the Jewish people not to establish a state, because it would mean the state would oppress them, but they did anyway, so God gave the monarchy the power to rule them and refused to take the yolk off when the Israelites tired of it.

They really had egg on their faces after that.

The entire OT is basically a chronicle of Jews trolling God, with intermittent obedience.

[The Parkus Empire]

Your argument is essentially, "You can always choose death (the ultimate punishment) over a more lenient punishment, so the government can't punish you without your consent."

Death is not always worse than incarceration.

But this is like saying you consent to sex if you don't resist against a gun to your head