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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 31, 2018 6:51 am

Vassenor wrote:So Dinesh D’Souza is getting formally pardoned.

The Law and Order President, everybody.

What is D'Souza doing for Trump to be so rewarded?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu May 31, 2018 6:57 am

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Vassenor wrote:So Dinesh D’Souza is getting formally pardoned.

The Law and Order President, everybody.

What is D'Souza doing for Trump to be so rewarded?

Trump will pardon conservative pundit Dinesh D'Souza, who was convicted for campaign finance violation

D'Souza pleaded guilty in 2014 to reimbursing two of his associates after directing them to contribute $10,000 each to the 2012 Senate campaign of Wendy Long. He also admitted that he knew what he was doing violated the law.

Apparently Donnie relates to him.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu May 31, 2018 7:41 am

U.S. hits EU, Canada and Mexico with steel, aluminum tariffs

So I'm pretty sure this a Very Bad Idea™, but apparently the government is pushing forward with it anyway.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 31, 2018 7:52 am

Vassenor wrote:U.S. hits EU, Canada and Mexico with steel, aluminum tariffs

So I'm pretty sure this a Very Bad Idea™, but apparently the government is pushing forward with it anyway.

Get your Levis and Jack Daniels now, guys, before the EU tariffs America back.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu May 31, 2018 8:12 am

Vassenor wrote:U.S. hits EU, Canada and Mexico with steel, aluminum tariffs

So I'm pretty sure this a Very Bad Idea™, but apparently the government is pushing forward with it anyway.


Threatening Europeans seems to be profitable stuff these days. I wonder Trump wants a couple billion payoff in a private account ala Erdogan.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Thu May 31, 2018 8:28 am

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Vassenor wrote:It would be interesting to see what the people shrieking about how Roseanne's firing is a suppression of free speech think about the NFL's new anthem rules.


ABC made the wrong decision in cancelling Roseanne if it still had high ratings and presumably was still profitable. Every TV station is about ratings and money in the end. There were plenty of options short of cancelling the show immediately, if they just didn't want to work with Roseanne Barr anymore. They could've killed her character off and continued it without her, or wrapped that season up. They could've brought in someone else named Roseanne. They could've renamed the show or gradually changed it to something else. Shame that because of one person misbehaving in their free time, 400+ other people or so, are out of work.

People wanting to hire her, should've known that Roseanne Barr has had an unstable personality ever since surviving a car wreck (allegedly).

While I appreciate the sudden and rather forced concern about people in my profession that's all of sudden pouring out from people trying to find a way to defend racist comments, there's a few things.

First, as someone mentioned, we are all freelancers. Our days are never guaranteed. We lose work for all sorts of reasons. Hell, last year I lost a pretty sweet reality gig because the star of that show didn't report the income from the show and went to jail. No one cried for me then, and they shouldn't. I just went and worked on other shit. Like these guys will. Most of them are IATSE, they'll be fine. Most shows haven't started shooting yet, there's still time to staff up somewhere else. I hear ABC has an open time slot available for a new show...

Second, Carsey-Werner owns the show. You can't actually do it without them. They could take the show somewhere else, like what happened to Last Man Standing or Brooklyn 99, but they can't do the show without her, she's an executive producer.

In fact, ABC not owning the show means that they're not the one taking the biggest hit for this. They're losing potential ad revenue that they'll make up with whatever else will go in that slot. While they won't be able to charge as much, they also won't be spending as much on the show and advertisers, some of which were already trepidatious about advertising on her show, will be more willing to buy time on something not constantly playing with fire. The real money the show would make would come after ABC and the initial ad buys and instead on syndication and secondary market sales. Carsey-Warner stands to lose more than ABC.

Finally, ABC is looking into a project that would involve the remaining cast and crew. But again, it's the nature of our business that tomorrow is never guaranteed.

So while I appreciate the sudden overwrought concern, which has largely come from people who with their other breath have delighted at the idea that my entire state slide into the ocean or everyone in my industry curl up and die, everyone's going to be fine. Better off than they would have been working for someone constantly trying to torpedo her own success.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 31, 2018 8:31 am

Vassenor wrote:So Dinesh D’Souza is getting formally pardoned.

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Didn’t he plead guilty? Like literally he admitted he did it?
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Postby Tobleste » Thu May 31, 2018 8:38 am

Vassenor wrote:It would be interesting to see what the people shrieking about how Roseanne's firing is a suppression of free speech think about the NFL's new anthem rules.


Well the anthem rules are primarily designed to suppress protests about racism and that's not the "free speech" they're concerned with.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 31, 2018 8:39 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So Dinesh D’Souza is getting formally pardoned.

The Law and Order President, everybody.

Didn’t he plead guilty? Like literally he admitted he did it?

He admitted he did it, and admitted that he knew it was illegal when he did it. Really hard to see how his treatment was unfair at all.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu May 31, 2018 8:44 am

Ifreann wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Didn’t he plead guilty? Like literally he admitted he did it?

He admitted he did it, and admitted that he knew it was illegal when he did it. Really hard to see how his treatment was unfair at all.


But Trump said it so it must be true.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 31, 2018 8:48 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:He admitted he did it, and admitted that he knew it was illegal when he did it. Really hard to see how his treatment was unfair at all.


But Trump said it so it must be true.

Maybe Clinton or Obama said something mean about him.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu May 31, 2018 8:51 am

Ifreann wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
But Trump said it so it must be true.

Maybe Clinton or Obama said something mean about him.


He did make some reasonably racist comments about Obama though.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu May 31, 2018 8:51 am

Vassenor wrote:U.S. hits EU, Canada and Mexico with steel, aluminum tariffs

So I'm pretty sure this a Very Bad Idea™, but apparently the government is pushing forward with it anyway.

They deserve it over the new shit they're trying to pull with the internet tbqh
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Crockerland wrote:Yes, we are aware, the Israelis protect their civilians with weapons while the Palestinians protect their weapons with civilians.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu May 31, 2018 8:51 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Vassenor wrote:U.S. hits EU, Canada and Mexico with steel, aluminum tariffs

So I'm pretty sure this a Very Bad Idea™, but apparently the government is pushing forward with it anyway.

They deserve it over the new shit they're trying to pull with the internet tbqh


What is Canada doing to the internet?
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu May 31, 2018 8:52 am

Vassenor wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:They deserve it over the new shit they're trying to pull with the internet tbqh


What is Canada doing to the internet?

The EU specifically; nobody cares about America's hat and America's chair.
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Crockerland wrote:Yes, we are aware, the Israelis protect their civilians with weapons while the Palestinians protect their weapons with civilians.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Thu May 31, 2018 8:54 am

Proctopeo wrote:
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What is Canada doing to the internet?

The EU specifically; nobody cares about America's hat and America's chair.

About the data thing that I've seen pop up recently? Meh, what about it, I don't see any harm to the data thing tbh.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu May 31, 2018 8:54 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Vassenor wrote:U.S. hits EU, Canada and Mexico with steel, aluminum tariffs

So I'm pretty sure this a Very Bad Idea™, but apparently the government is pushing forward with it anyway.

They deserve it over the new shit they're trying to pull with the internet tbqh

Someone wasn't GDPR ready.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu May 31, 2018 8:56 am

Freezic Vast wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:The EU specifically; nobody cares about America's hat and America's chair.

About the data thing that I've seen pop up recently? Meh, what about it, I don't see any harm to the data thing tbh.

I don't want to derail the thread, so here's a link to a thing on the topic
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Crockerland wrote:Yes, we are aware, the Israelis protect their civilians with weapons while the Palestinians protect their weapons with civilians.

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Postby Telconi » Thu May 31, 2018 8:59 am

Tobleste wrote:
Vassenor wrote:It would be interesting to see what the people shrieking about how Roseanne's firing is a suppression of free speech think about the NFL's new anthem rules.


Well the anthem rules are primarily designed to suppress protests about racism and that's not the "free speech" they're concerned with.


Nobody says they can't protest on their own time.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 31, 2018 9:04 am

Telconi wrote:
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Well the anthem rules are primarily designed to suppress protests about racism and that's not the "free speech" they're concerned with.


Nobody says they can't protest on their own time.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

True but the whole argument that their boss isn’t letting them protest at work is silly because many of the teams owners allowed it
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu May 31, 2018 9:07 am

Telconi wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Well the anthem rules are primarily designed to suppress protests about racism and that's not the "free speech" they're concerned with.


Nobody says they can't protest on their own time.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not like the anthem takes a long time anyway, so they have a lot of "their own time" to protest during.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu May 31, 2018 9:11 am

Trade war is heating up it seems. Be interesting to see what the return salvo will be.
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Postby Telconi » Thu May 31, 2018 9:11 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Nobody says they can't protest on their own time.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

True but the whole argument that their boss isn’t letting them protest at work is silly because many of the teams owners allowed it


Team owners aren't ultimately their bosses, the NFL is.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu May 31, 2018 9:12 am

Telconi wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:True but the whole argument that their boss isn’t letting them protest at work is silly because many of the teams owners allowed it


Team owners aren't ultimately their bosses, the NFL is.

That’s just confusing
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Postby Telconi » Thu May 31, 2018 9:15 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
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Team owners aren't ultimately their bosses, the NFL is.

That’s just confusing


Team owners are investors that own the revenue generation of a team's brand.

Think of it like a franchised burger joint. The team owner is the franchise holder, the NFL is McDonald's Corporation.

The owner might have some leeway, but ultimately if the way the store is ran is in accordance with McDonald's policy.
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