MAGAThread XIII: The Summit of Putin

[Bombadil]

"or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people"


If I were you I'd also tread carefully around saying that arguments based on certain amendments are BS

The 9A argument is a bit better but like all that are dependent on that particular amendment is always comes across as kinda weak. Tbqh we should just overturn Roe and Casey and make a new amendment protecting abortion rights.

Congress should deal with it, but they're too cowardly to pass just about anything let alone one that would leave them open to campaign attacks with babykiller attached so they leave it to the SC.

That way they can complain the SC is activist without taking any real responsibility.

[Senkaku]

The 9A argument is a bit better but like all that are dependent on that particular amendment is always comes across as kinda weak. Tbqh we should just overturn Roe and Casey and make a new amendment protecting abortion rights.

Congress should deal with it, but they're too cowardly to pass just about anything let alone one that would leave them open to campaign attacks with babykiller attached so they leave it to the SC.

That way they can complain the SC is activist without taking any real responsibility.

It boggles my young little mind that there was a time when Congress was the branch of government people were worried about being too powerful lol

"or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people"


If I were you I'd also tread carefully around saying that arguments based on certain amendments are BS

The 9A argument is a bit better but like all that are dependent on that particular amendment is always comes across as kinda weak.

Good enough for a 7-2 from SCOTUS, and not to appeal too much to authority, but I respect their legal analyses rather more than I do yours.

Tbqh we should just overturn Roe and Casey and make a new amendment protecting abortion rights.

New amendments! Hah! Nice meme, but if you want to dump Roe and Casey you can just say so tbh.

[Vassenor]

The 14A argument is total bunk but at least you can quote something relevant lol, I was just trying to see what Flutters had.

"or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people"


If I were you I'd also tread carefully around saying that arguments based on certain amendments are BS

But the 2A is special and can never ever ever ever be questioned and must always be read the way conservatives say it should, even though that means ignoring huge chunks of the text.

[Washington Resistance Army]

"or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people"


If I were you I'd also tread carefully around saying that arguments based on certain amendments are BS

But the 2A is special and can never ever ever ever be questioned and must always be read the way conservatives say it should, even though that means ignoring huge chunks of the text.

No it doesn't, you just don't know what "well regulated" means in the context despite having it explained to you dozens of times lol

New amendments! Hah! Nice meme, but if you want to dump Roe and Casey you can just say so tbh.

I don't have a ton of problems with Casey but Roe was a pretty bad decision imo. Tis a shame that the idea of new amendments nowadays is a politically impossible thing.

[New haven america]

Liars!

[Petrasylvania]

MSNBC forced into 7-second delay after GOP strategist's expletive-filled rant

When asked by MSNBC co-host John Heilemann during the program how the president can continue to "genuinely boast" about his high approval ratings among his party, Wilson said in response: "Cocaine's a hell of a drug."

"They love the fact that Donald Trump finally gives them this sort of id of the Republican Party," Wilson said. "They're finally given permission to say the ugly things they kind of wanted in their secret hearts for a long time, and the monster got out of its cage in terms of a lot of the populist messaging that worked to motivate Republican primary voters for a long time."

So basically Donnie gave a green light for being an asshat and turned it into a pride movement.

[Washington Resistance Army]

MSNBC forced into 7-second delay after GOP strategist's expletive-filled rant

When asked by MSNBC co-host John Heilemann during the program how the president can continue to "genuinely boast" about his high approval ratings among his party, Wilson said in response: "Cocaine's a hell of a drug."

"They love the fact that Donald Trump finally gives them this sort of id of the Republican Party," Wilson said. "They're finally given permission to say the ugly things they kind of wanted in their secret hearts for a long time, and the monster got out of its cage in terms of a lot of the populist messaging that worked to motivate Republican primary voters for a long time."

So basically Donnie gave a green light for being an asshat and turned it into a pride movement.

Given he was badmouthing Trump I figured you'd be in favor, that's pretty much all you do with your time nowadays.

[Jerzylvania]

MSNBC forced into 7-second delay after GOP strategist's expletive-filled rant

When asked by MSNBC co-host John Heilemann during the program how the president can continue to "genuinely boast" about his high approval ratings among his party, Wilson said in response: "Cocaine's a hell of a drug."

"They love the fact that Donald Trump finally gives them this sort of id of the Republican Party," Wilson said. "They're finally given permission to say the ugly things they kind of wanted in their secret hearts for a long time, and the monster got out of its cage in terms of a lot of the populist messaging that worked to motivate Republican primary voters for a long time."

So basically Donnie gave a green light for being an asshat and turned it into a pride movement.

That's one interesting way to pimp a book on the [expletives deleted] presidency of Donald Trump, i.e. getting bleeped for seven seconds bc the language needed to describe it is so offensive. I have to give it to Wilson, though. He nailed Trump and his GOP supporters for what they truly are. OTOH, I prefer former GOP strategist Steve Schmidt's rants on MSNBC more since they can actually go out over the air.

[Ifreann]

MSNBC forced into 7-second delay after GOP strategist's expletive-filled rant

When asked by MSNBC co-host John Heilemann during the program how the president can continue to "genuinely boast" about his high approval ratings among his party, Wilson said in response: "Cocaine's a hell of a drug."

"They love the fact that Donald Trump finally gives them this sort of id of the Republican Party," Wilson said. "They're finally given permission to say the ugly things they kind of wanted in their secret hearts for a long time, and the monster got out of its cage in terms of a lot of the populist messaging that worked to motivate Republican primary voters for a long time."

So basically Donnie gave a green light for being an asshat and turned it into a pride movement.

Wilson later took to Twitter shortly after the broadcast to share what he said that had been censored by MSNBC.

"I said 'Washington is full of profiles in chickenshit. You and I both get calls from members of Congress who say I can't stand this asshole,'" Wilson said in a tweet.

"Expletive filled rant"

[Jerzylvania]

MSNBC forced into 7-second delay after GOP strategist's expletive-filled rant


So basically Donnie gave a green light for being an asshat and turned it into a pride movement.

Wilson later took to Twitter shortly after the broadcast to share what he said that had been censored by MSNBC.

"I said 'Washington is full of profiles in chickenshit. You and I both get calls from members of Congress who say I can't stand this asshole,'" Wilson said in a tweet.

"Expletive filled rant"

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[Grinning Dragon]

...If you’re not basing your argument from the constitution...you can’t say it’s unconstitutional. Because whatever you’re rambling off is not coming from the constitution.

Then here's an argument based on the constitution. The executive branch shouldn't ignore laws it thinks are unconstitutional, since it is not the executive's purview to decide constitutionality. That's the judicial branch's job.

This was a pretty good read. The Executive’s Duty To Disregard Unconstitutional Laws

Far from vesting him with a discretionary Executive Disregard power, the Constitution actually requires the President to disregard unconstitutional statutes. This duty arises from three sources. First, the Constitution does not authorize the President to enforce unconstitutional laws. At the founding, such laws were seen as null and void, ab initio. Because unconstitutional laws were nullities, they supplied no law for the President to enforce. Necessarily, he could have no power or duty to enforce them. Under the original Constitution, the President had no more power or duty to execute unconstitutional laws than he had to execute the laws of the states or other nations. Second, the President’s duty to disregard unconstitutional laws arises from his unique constitutionally prescribed oath: he must “preserve, protect and defend” the Constitution.12 He does none of those things when he executes an unconstitutional statute. To the contrary, he violates his constitutional oath when he enforces a law he regards as unconstitutional.13 Because the Constitution effectively obliges the President
to do no constitutional harm, he cannot execute unconstitutional laws. Third, per the Faithful Execution Clause, the President must take care to faithfully execute the laws.14
The Supremacy Clause famously makes clear that the Constitution is “the supreme Law of the Land.” 15 Taken together, these two Clauses prohibit the President from taking actions that violate the Supreme Law that he is obliged to faithfully execute. Hence, in a number of different ways, the Constitution requires the President to disregard unconstitutional statutes.

[Jerzylvania]

*snipped duplication*

[Jerzylvania]

Then here's an argument based on the constitution. The executive branch shouldn't ignore laws it thinks are unconstitutional, since it is not the executive's purview to decide constitutionality. That's the judicial branch's job.

This was a pretty good read. The Executive’s Duty To Disregard Unconstitutional Laws

Far from vesting him with a discretionary Executive Disregard power, the Constitution actually requires the President to disregard unconstitutional statutes. This duty arises from three sources. First, the Constitution does not authorize the President to enforce unconstitutional laws. At the founding, such laws were seen as null and void, ab initio. Because unconstitutional laws were nullities, they supplied no law for the President to enforce. Necessarily, he could have no power or duty to enforce them. Under the original Constitution, the President had no more power or duty to execute unconstitutional laws than he had to execute the laws of the states or other nations. Second, the President’s duty to disregard unconstitutional laws arises from his unique constitutionally prescribed oath: he must “preserve, protect and defend” the Constitution.12 He does none of those things when he executes an unconstitutional statute. To the contrary, he violates his constitutional oath when he enforces a law he regards as unconstitutional.13 Because the Constitution effectively obliges the President
to do no constitutional harm, he cannot execute unconstitutional laws. Third, per the Faithful Execution Clause, the President must take care to faithfully execute the laws.14
The Supremacy Clause famously makes clear that the Constitution is “the supreme Law of the Land.” 15 Taken together, these two Clauses prohibit the President from taking actions that violate the Supreme Law that he is obliged to faithfully execute. Hence, in a number of different ways, the Constitution requires the President to disregard unconstitutional statutes.

The Sedition Act clearly is unconstitutional, but many of today's matters not so much. Also, Jefferson was one of the Founding Fathers and knew them all.
OTOH, Trump don't know shit.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Apparently a Russian company is selling some Trump branded asbestos now, allegedly approved by the man himself. This would be funny if it weren’t so disturbing since the shit has long since been known to cause cancer.

[Petrasylvania]

Apparently a Russian company is selling some Trump branded asbestos now, allegedly approved by the man himself. This would be funny if it weren’t so disturbing since the shit has long since been known to cause cancer.

The subtext is black comedy material however.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Then here's an argument based on the constitution. The executive branch shouldn't ignore laws it thinks are unconstitutional, since it is not the executive's purview to decide constitutionality. That's the judicial branch's job.

This was a pretty good read. The Executive’s Duty To Disregard Unconstitutional Laws

Far from vesting him with a discretionary Executive Disregard power, the Constitution actually requires the President to disregard unconstitutional statutes. This duty arises from three sources. First, the Constitution does not authorize the President to enforce unconstitutional laws. At the founding, such laws were seen as null and void, ab initio. Because unconstitutional laws were nullities, they supplied no law for the President to enforce. Necessarily, he could have no power or duty to enforce them. Under the original Constitution, the President had no more power or duty to execute unconstitutional laws than he had to execute the laws of the states or other nations. Second, the President’s duty to disregard unconstitutional laws arises from his unique constitutionally prescribed oath: he must “preserve, protect and defend” the Constitution.12 He does none of those things when he executes an unconstitutional statute. To the contrary, he violates his constitutional oath when he enforces a law he regards as unconstitutional.13 Because the Constitution effectively obliges the President
to do no constitutional harm, he cannot execute unconstitutional laws. Third, per the Faithful Execution Clause, the President must take care to faithfully execute the laws.14
The Supremacy Clause famously makes clear that the Constitution is “the supreme Law of the Land.” 15 Taken together, these two Clauses prohibit the President from taking actions that violate the Supreme Law that he is obliged to faithfully execute. Hence, in a number of different ways, the Constitution requires the President to disregard unconstitutional statutes.

The laws being disregarded have to be legitimately unconstitutional and not based solely on the particular presidents subjective opinion on what’s constitutional or not. It’s also not the executives job to decide what’s constitutional since their job is to enforce the law, not interpret them.

[Grenartia]

"or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people"


If I were you I'd also tread carefully around saying that arguments based on certain amendments are BS

The 9A argument is a bit better but like all that are dependent on that particular amendment is always comes across as kinda weak. Tbqh we should just overturn Roe and Casey and make a new amendment protecting abortion rights.

What, praytell, makes the 9th and 14th less legitimate than any other amendments?

[Ifreann]

Apparently a Russian company is selling some Trump branded asbestos now, allegedly approved by the man himself. This would be funny if it weren’t so disturbing since the shit has long since been known to cause cancer.

Trumpestos!

[Bombadil]

Apparently a Russian company is selling some Trump branded asbestos now, allegedly approved by the man himself. This would be funny if it weren’t so disturbing since the shit has long since been known to cause cancer.

Trumpestos!

I think he'd prefer 'Donbestos'.

[Cannot think of a name]

Apparently a Russian company is selling some Trump branded asbestos now, allegedly approved by the man himself. This would be funny if it weren’t so disturbing since the shit has long since been known to cause cancer.

Trumpestos!

You'll get the best cancer, believe me, cancer like has never been seen before. Truly, truly great cancer. The greatest cancer. Can you believe that? Everyone is going to want this cancer, I'm telling you.

[Grenartia]

Trumpestos!

You'll get the best cancer, believe me, cancer like has never been seen before. Truly, truly great cancer. The greatest cancer. Can you believe that? Everyone is going to want this cancer, I'm telling you.

You're gonna have YUUUGE tumors. Tumors the size of my hands. You know, that Crooked Hillary didn't want people having cancer this bigly.

[Petrasylvania]

Trumpestos!

You'll get the best cancer, believe me, cancer like has never been seen before. Truly, truly great cancer. The greatest cancer. Can you believe that? Everyone is going to want this cancer, I'm telling you.

Cancer the likes which have never been seen.

[Ifreann]

Trumpestos!

You'll get the best cancer, believe me, cancer like has never been seen before. Truly, truly great cancer. The greatest cancer. Can you believe that? Everyone is going to want this cancer, I'm telling you.

So much cancer, you're going to be sick of cancer.

[Bombadil]

The poll by Ipsos emphasizes the clear divide between party lines when it comes to the role of the media and its coverage of the Trump administration. Twenty-nine percent, nearly a third, of the more than 1,000 people polled said they believed the news media was the enemy of the American people, a phrase that was coined and popularized by President Donald Trump. That number jumps to 48 percent if you just examine Republicans surveyed.

Trump often rants about the press coverage he gets and has dubbed unflattering stories about him and his administration as "fake news." While 68 percent of Democrats polled believe that reporters try their best to do honest reporting, only 29 percent of Republicans agreed, the poll shows.

Only 12 percent of Democrats in the poll said they believed the president should have the authority to close news outlets engaged in "bad behavior" but a stark 43 percent of Republicans said this should be a policy.

Good times..

[Petrasylvania]

The poll by Ipsos emphasizes the clear divide between party lines when it comes to the role of the media and its coverage of the Trump administration. Twenty-nine percent, nearly a third, of the more than 1,000 people polled said they believed the news media was the enemy of the American people, a phrase that was coined and popularized by President Donald Trump. That number jumps to 48 percent if you just examine Republicans surveyed.

Trump often rants about the press coverage he gets and has dubbed unflattering stories about him and his administration as "fake news." While 68 percent of Democrats polled believe that reporters try their best to do honest reporting, only 29 percent of Republicans agreed, the poll shows.

Only 12 percent of Democrats in the poll said they believed the president should have the authority to close news outlets engaged in "bad behavior" but a stark 43 percent of Republicans said this should be a policy.

Good times..

Shouldn't be long before more dumbfucks try to murder journalists. Another way to be more like Russia.