MAGAThread XIII: The Summit of Putin

[Petrasylvania]

Ah, literacy.

Just to be clear, you claim Obamacare is a Heritage Foundation idea. You also claim its only failing because of the states who didn't lick Obama's balls. So you seem to be tacitly admitting you believe the idea from the Heritage Foundation was good.

That about right?

It's a step up from healrhcare before. Universal healthcare is a better choice but have to go with what's available. Now is this the part where you interpret that as me admitting the Heritage Foundation is infallible?

[Telconi]

I think the rank and file Republican wants cheaper access to healthcare. No reasonable person wants the "price of bread" to be high.

I imagine they do but their voting patterns suggest they prioritise other things. I'd like to marry Barbara Palvin but I've never voted on that basis. Mostly because no party has ever offered that to me but still.

>People prioritize their desires.

How awful...

[Luminesa]

Republican politicians anyway, but not Republican voters. Maybe don't stick everyone in a box.

Republican politicians are politicians because of republican voters. They elect them, support them and keep them in power. They obstruct things like the ACA, support cuts to spending and tax cuts for the rich. It's their own fault that they don't have universal healthcare as in other countries and no one elses. Why should the rest of America suffer for their stubbornness?

So leave them to a lower life expectancy instead of...trying to find some way to compromise reasonably?

[Kramanica]

Just to be clear, you claim Obamacare is a Heritage Foundation idea. You also claim its only failing because of the states who didn't lick Obama's balls. So you seem to be tacitly admitting you believe the idea from the Heritage Foundation was good.

That about right?

It's a step up from healrhcare before. Universal healthcare is a better choice but have to go with what's available. Now is this the part where you interpret that as me admitting the Heritage Foundation is infallible?

Well, you're vehemently defending something you also claim is a Heritage Foundation idea.

Also, I'd like a source for your claim that the states refusing the expansion are what caused it to fail.

[Petrasylvania]

It's a step up from healrhcare before. Universal healthcare is a better choice but have to go with what's available. Now is this the part where you interpret that as me admitting the Heritage Foundation is infallible?

Well, you're vehemently defending something you also claim is a Heritage Foundation idea.

Also, I'd like a source for your claim that the states refusing the expansion are what caused it to fail.

What are the effects of not expanding Medicaid?

So what do you mean by "failed"?

[Triassica]

Republican politicians are politicians because of republican voters. They elect them, support them and keep them in power. They obstruct things like the ACA, support cuts to spending and tax cuts for the rich. It's their own fault that they don't have universal healthcare as in other countries and no one elses. Why should the rest of America suffer for their stubbornness?

So leave them to a lower life expectancy instead of...trying to find some way to compromise reasonably?

You can't "compromise reasonably" with Republicans. They constantly act in bad faith and you can't give them an inch least they take a mile.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So leave them to a lower life expectancy instead of...trying to find some way to compromise reasonably?

You can't "compromise reasonably" with Republicans. They constantly act in bad faith and you can't give them an inch least they take a mile.

Tis a shame our politics has devolved to a point where everyone acts like that now. We should just end the republic and get it over with already.

[Luminesa]

So leave them to a lower life expectancy instead of...trying to find some way to compromise reasonably?

You can't "compromise reasonably" with Republicans. They constantly act in bad faith and you can't give them an inch least they take a mile.

Don’t talk to me about reason while still talking about the “resist and rebel” method like it’s anything other than lashing-out against your own decisions.

[Freezic Vast]

So leave them to a lower life expectancy instead of...trying to find some way to compromise reasonably?

You can't "compromise reasonably" with Republicans. They constantly act in bad faith and you can't give them an inch least they take a mile.

You mean Democrats.

Tis a shame our politics has devolved to a point where everyone acts like that now. We should just end the republic and get it over with already.

Form a one party state, or an American Roman Empire. DEUS VULT!

[Kramanica]

Well, you're vehemently defending something you also claim is a Heritage Foundation idea.

Also, I'd like a source for your claim that the states refusing the expansion are what caused it to fail.

What are the effects of not expanding Medicaid?

So what do you mean by "failed"?

>a blog

And I mean this.

[Cannot think of a name]

So leave them to a lower life expectancy instead of...trying to find some way to compromise reasonably?

You can't "compromise reasonably" with Republicans. They constantly act in bad faith and you can't give them an inch least they take a mile.

It’s important to remember that the ACA was a compromise bill, that Obama wanted single payer but in an act of good faith built the bill on a republican proposal that the republicans turned on and acted as if Obama had actually made A Modest Proposal. That’s what compromise looks like now, one side compromising and the other acting like they’re being raked over the coals.

[Ism]

Well, in terms of national policy, the Republicans don't want help, and won't let the Democrats help themselves. Collaboration at the state level, thus excluding red states, might yield better fruit.

How about maybe pushing for bipartisanship?

That's what the ACA was, a middle of the road solution. The Republicans fought it, and that was before the Tea Party, and before Trump. There is no way, at least not for a couple of election cycles, that Republicans support national level healthcare reform that does not mean returning to the pre-ACA system, and Democrats would refuse any such thing. There is no bipartisan route ahead on the national level because that's what gave us the current status quo, and no one is satisfied with it.

[Petrasylvania]

What are the effects of not expanding Medicaid?

So what do you mean by "failed"?

>a blog

And I mean this.

Dismisses a Brookings Institution article as a blog.

Responds with an opinion piece.

Ookay.

[Kramanica]

>a blog

And I mean this.

Dismisses a Brookings Institution article as a blog.

Responds with an opinion piece.

Ookay.

It literally says blog.

And the piece has sources.

Plz read.

[Jerzylvania]

How about not forcing a healthcare system on them that they'll reject, believe to comprise of death panels and then sabotage anyway?

Republicans don't want cheaper access to healthcare. They want less immigrants, more guns and no abortion.

Republican politicians anyway, but not Republican voters. Maybe don't stick everyone in a box.

Maybe use a basket.

[Petrasylvania]

Dismisses a Brookings Institution article as a blog.

Responds with an opinion piece.

Ookay.

It literally says blog.

And the piece has sources.

Plz read.

So does the Brookings article. How selective of you.
Anyways...

The only other articles on the subject seem to conclude the exchange is failing.

But what amused me is that Ryan Cooper's proposed solution is Medicare For All.

[Valrifell]

Republican politicians are politicians because of republican voters. They elect them, support them and keep them in power. They obstruct things like the ACA, support cuts to spending and tax cuts for the rich. It's their own fault that they don't have universal healthcare as in other countries and no one elses. Why should the rest of America suffer for their stubbornness?

So leave them to a lower life expectancy instead of...trying to find some way to compromise reasonably?

The compromise is only having a few states with comprehensive universal healthcare.

[Valrifell]

You can't "compromise reasonably" with Republicans. They constantly act in bad faith and you can't give them an inch least they take a mile.

Tis a shame our politics has devolved to a point where everyone acts like that now. We should just end the republic and get it over with already.

Now now, there's no need to end the Republic over petty squabbles in politics. You're just overreacting in reverse and in the most cynical way possible.

[Sovaal]

You can't "compromise reasonably" with Republicans. They constantly act in bad faith and you can't give them an inch least they take a mile.

Tis a shame our politics has devolved to a point where everyone acts like that now. We should just end the republic and get it over with already.

But who will be our Caesar? Our Octavian?

[Fartsniffage]

Tis a shame our politics has devolved to a point where everyone acts like that now. We should just end the republic and get it over with already.

But who will be our Caesar? Our Octavian?

Elon Musk.

[Sovaal]

But who will be our Caesar? Our Octavian?

Elon Musk.

Hmm...

[Petrasylvania]

But who will be our Caesar? Our Octavian?

Elon Musk.

Put him in the Thunderdome with Jeff Bezos.

[Valrifell]

But who will be our Caesar? Our Octavian?

Elon Musk.

no

[Uiiop]

But who will be our Caesar? Our Octavian?

Elon Musk.

All hail the Galaxy Brain!

[Sovaal]

Elon Musk.

Put him in the Thunderdome with Jeff Bezos.

I fully expect Musk to bring a set of ecofriendly power armor