MAGAThread XIII: The Summit of Putin

[New haven america]

1. Yes, coal and oil are killing the planet as we speak, it's this little thing called "Global Warming."

1. No, coal isn't in general, nor specifically in the context of American coal. It would also come as a hell of a shock to everyone that every period of warming in history was because of coal usage, as we're not aware of Mammoths burning it, for instance.

2. Really, then why is it killing the economy of the Appalachians? (Hint: Putting all your eggs in one basket usually doesn't turn out well)

2a. Coal is an inanimate object; it can't do anything. 2b.What really killed the economy was regulations placed upon it at the end of the last decade and start of this one. Dutch Disease is indeed an issue, but artificially killing it does nothing either.

3. Then why the hell do you support coal?

3. a.Because Fusion doesn't exist yet b. and coal provides jobs.

1. All fossil fuels contribute to it, which includes coal. Also, I don't think Bloomberg is the best source to use for this.
2a. Gee, really? I had no idea. 2b. Apparently you need to learn what economic diversification is...
3a. Even though we have perfectly fine reactors right now, 3b. You mean in a dying industry? Yeah, that makes for great job security, yep yep yep.

[Fartsniffage]

Well, yes. Chemistry exists. Some things are healthy, other things are dangerous. That requires government intervention. No matter how clean you make coal, it is still going to spew tonnes and tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Sure, but that's all that American coal spews out and further emissions are rather low to the point that even factoring in global emissions it isn't a threat.

Why do you think American coal is cleaner than that of other nations?

[New haven america]

Sure, but that's all that American coal spews out and further emissions are rather low to the point that even factoring in global emissions it isn't a threat.

Why do you think American coal is cleaner than that of other nations?

Becasue we have the best coal, the cleanest coal you''ve ever seen, I'm telling you it is so clean.

CLEAN.

[Petrasylvania]

Why do you think American coal is cleaner than that of other nations?

Becasue we have the best coal, the cleanest coal you''ve ever seen, I'm telling you it is so clean.

CLEAN.

BYOOOTIFLE KLEEN KOHL.

[Ifreann]

Sure, but that's all that American coal spews out and further emissions are rather low to the point that even factoring in global emissions it isn't a threat.

Why do you think American coal is cleaner than that of other nations?

It's washed with bald eagle tears.

[Valrifell]

Why do you think American coal is cleaner than that of other nations?

Becasue we have the best coal, the cleanest coal you''ve ever seen, I'm telling you it is so clean.

CLEAN.

I don't understand why people are so adamant about keeping coal. Regardless of it's status as a dying industry, renewables have the potential to bring in more jobs and the electricity produced would just be cheaper. All around it's the better option going forward, and people have been offered means to adapt to this new option.

[San Lumen]

Becasue we have the best coal, the cleanest coal you''ve ever seen, I'm telling you it is so clean.

CLEAN.

I don't understand why people are so adamant about keeping coal. Regardless of it's status as a dying industry, renewables have the potential to bring in more jobs and the electricity produced would just be cheaper. All around it's the better option going forward, and people have been offered means to adapt to this new option.

Because jobs and preserving those small towns economy instead of transition to something new that would leave the environment and majestic mountains intact for generations to come

[Petrasylvania]

Becasue we have the best coal, the cleanest coal you''ve ever seen, I'm telling you it is so clean.

CLEAN.

I don't understand why people are so adamant about keeping coal. Regardless of it's status as a dying industry, renewables have the potential to bring in more jobs and the electricity produced would just be cheaper. All around it's the better option going forward, and people have been offered means to adapt to this new option.

A political pyramid scheme that the con artists are trying to prop up, at least until they can grab the money and run.

[Fartsniffage]

I don't understand why people are so adamant about keeping coal. Regardless of it's status as a dying industry, renewables have the potential to bring in more jobs and the electricity produced would just be cheaper. All around it's the better option going forward, and people have been offered means to adapt to this new option.

Because jobs and preserving those small towns economy instead of transition to something new that would leave the environment and majestic mountains intact for generations to come

Mountains come and mountains go. They're not that big of a deal.

[San Lumen]

Because jobs and preserving those small towns economy instead of transition to something new that would leave the environment and majestic mountains intact for generations to come

Mountains come and mountains go. They're not that big of a deal.

over millions of years not a few months or years.

[Petrasylvania]

Mountains come and mountains go. They're not that big of a deal.

over millions of years not a few months or years.

That was sarcasm.

[Fartsniffage]

Mountains come and mountains go. They're not that big of a deal.

over millions of years not a few months or years.

Depends on the mountain. St. Helens took a day to lose over 1000 feet.

[Ism]

Because jobs and preserving those small towns economy instead of transition to something new that would leave the environment and majestic mountains intact for generations to come

Mountains come and mountains go. They're not that big of a deal.

Not saying mountains are the be all end all of public policy, but by that logic nothing is a big deal.

[Petrasylvania]

over millions of years not a few months or years.

Depends on the mountain. St. Helens took a day to lose over 1000 feet.

If we need more mountains we can just loosen up laws on landfills!

[Fartsniffage]

Mountains come and mountains go. They're not that big of a deal.

Not saying mountains are the be all end all of public policy, but by that logic nothing is a big deal.

If we're worrying about things on a geological timescales then nothing is a big deal.

Argue against coal for better reasons than it damages mountains.

[New haven america]

Becasue we have the best coal, the cleanest coal you''ve ever seen, I'm telling you it is so clean.

CLEAN.

I don't understand why people are so adamant about keeping coal. Regardless of it's status as a dying industry, renewables have the potential to bring in more jobs and the electricity produced would just be cheaper. All around it's the better option going forward, and people have been offered means to adapt to this new option.

Depends.

On the corporate side of things (You know, the system that actually controls the country), fossil fuel companies are some of the biggest in the US and they've managed to spread their tentacles into every area of the government. So they have a habit of getting what they want (Like refusing to let coal die).

On a state/town basis, lack of economic diversification and refusal to transition. A lot of areas have based their entire economies based around coal and oil, so if you get rid of that then the area will suffer massive economic hardship. Now the government's trying to diversify the areas, but most people there don't want to because they don't understand why everything can't just stay the same, they like to keep tradition. It's a: "My daddy lived this way, I live this way, and my kids are gonna live this way, God damnit!"-type of mindset.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't understand why people are so adamant about keeping coal. Regardless of it's status as a dying industry, renewables have the potential to bring in more jobs and the electricity produced would just be cheaper. All around it's the better option going forward, and people have been offered means to adapt to this new option.

Depends.

On the corporate side of things (You know, the system that actually controls the country), fossil fuel companies are some of the biggest in the US and they've managed to spread their tentacles into every area of the government. So they have a habit of getting what they want (Like refusing to let coal die).

On a state/town basis, lack of economic diversification and refusal to transition. A lot of areas have based their entire economies on coal and oil, so if you get rid of that then the area will suffer massive economic hardship. Now the government's trying to diversify the areas, but most people there don't want to because they don't understand why everything can't just stay the same, they like to keep tradition. It's a: "My daddy lived this way, I live this way, and my kids are gonna live this way, God damnit!"-type of mindset.

One has to imagine the new jobs being brought in don't pay as well and probably aren't as numerous.

[Fartsniffage]

Depends.

On the corporate side of things (You know, the system that actually controls the country), fossil fuel companies are some of the biggest in the US and they've managed to spread their tentacles into every area of the government. So they have a habit of getting what they want (Like refusing to let coal die).

On a state/town basis, lack of economic diversification and refusal to transition. A lot of areas have based their entire economies on coal and oil, so if you get rid of that then the area will suffer massive economic hardship. Now the government's trying to diversify the areas, but most people there don't want to because they don't understand why everything can't just stay the same, they like to keep tradition. It's a: "My daddy lived this way, I live this way, and my kids are gonna live this way, God damnit!"-type of mindset.

One has to imagine the new jobs being brought in don't pay as well and probably aren't as numerous.

If only Unions and left wing politicians hadn't forced mine owners to treat miners as people doing a dangerous job instead of virtual slaves.

[Bombadil]

Kim Jong Un has just offered to broker peace between the US and Canada..

[Fartsniffage]

Kim Jong Un has just offered to broker peace between the US and Canada..

Not the hero the US deserves, but the one it needs right now.

[New haven america]

Kim Jong Un has just offered to broker peace between the US and Canada..

...

Sure, why not?

[Ifreann]

Kim Jong Un has just offered to broker peace between the US and Canada..

Nobel for Kim.

[San Lumen]

Kim Jong Un has just offered to broker peace between the US and Canada..

Nobel for Kim.

I was about to post the same thing.

[Freezic Vast]

Kim Jong Un has just offered to broker peace between the US and Canada..

...

citation needed???

[Bombadil]

It's a tough one, Canada is demanding the US cease all production of maple syrup in Vermont..