MAGAThread XIII: The Summit of Putin

[Conserative Morality]

>> implying we're not already paralyzed

gud wan

We are, but one party holding part of Congress while the other party holds the other will ensure it's near total. Tis a shame the Russians have figured out how to play us so well and we have no counter.

Nukes.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We are, but one party holding part of Congress while the other party holds the other will ensure it's near total. Tis a shame the Russians have figured out how to play us so well and we have no counter.

The Russians don't want one party dominance by a group cucked to someone dreaming of being Putin's Lotion Rubber who would probably do as he "asks"?

I wouldn't if I was them, no. Ramping up political polarization in the US and further driving a wedge into things would be more beneficial in both the short and long term.

[Sick Jumps]

The Russians could indeed help the Democrats. Hell, China could help them. This is why election integrity has to be a bipartisan issue and should not be excessively politicized.

[Petrasylvania]

The Russians could indeed help the Democrats. Hell, China could help them. This is why election integrity has to be a bipartisan issue and should not be excessively politicized.

The Republicans are complacent that any significant outside interference would be in their favor, hence shooting down extra funding of election security.

[Tobleste]

And yet he's commonly held up as the pinnacle of progressive heroes

Really makes ya think

Yeah. I think he was born in 1882, 17 years after Lincoln was assassinated. He was constrained a wee bit by the times within which he lived.

Exactly. Anyone with modern attitudes to race (I.e. one that wouldn't get you fired from a public job in media or politics) wouldn't have won a presidential election before, what, 1990?

[Sick Jumps]

The Russians could indeed help the Democrats. Hell, China could help them. This is why election integrity has to be a bipartisan issue and should not be excessively politicized.

The Republicans are complacent that any significant outside interference would be in their favor, hence shooting down extra funding of election security.

Definitely short-sighted on their part. They will not be happy when the shoe is on the other foot.

The chaos it will inflict will also not be good for the country.

[Jerzylvania]

Yeah. I think he was born in 1882, 17 years after Lincoln was assassinated. He was constrained a wee bit by the times within which he lived.

Exactly. Anyone with modern attitudes to race (I.e. one that wouldn't get you fired from a public job in media or politics) wouldn't have won a presidential election before, what, 1990?

1976.

[Conserative Morality]

Exactly. Anyone with modern attitudes to race (I.e. one that wouldn't get you fired from a public job in media or politics) wouldn't have won a presidential election before, what, 1990?

Are you sure?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

What exactly?

That maybe he was a piece of shit who really didn't do that much good for the country and we should stop idealizing him.

He got us into World War II and facilitated a swifter victory, created a national welfare system, and controlled capitalist excesses, and ensured that America would claim her day in the sun. We can celebrate what's good about him and disparage the bad. Encourage the promotion of a man's virtues and not his vices.
N E W D E A L N O W ! A N D N E W D E A L F O R E V E R !

The Russians could indeed help the Democrats. Hell, China could help them. This is why election integrity has to be a bipartisan issue and should not be excessively politicized.

Yeah but you see, the Dems aren't trying to do stupid bullshit that either sucks off Emperor Xidong and Autocrat Putin or damaging our influence globally unnecessarily. Not all the time. (WHY RETRENCH, BARACK! YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!) And Hillary gave birth to Alexei Navalny and the Uyghurs and the pro-democracy movements and is out to kill Savior Xi Jinping and Honorable President Putin and eat their skulls and destroy their countries, and the CIA will feast upon their peoples and their peoples' bones.
But I guess if all Putin wants is interesting times in the USA he could certainly do that.

[Petrasylvania]

Exactly. Anyone with modern attitudes to race (I.e. one that wouldn't get you fired from a public job in media or politics) wouldn't have won a presidential election before, what, 1990?

Are you sure?

Carter would be the one sure to not game race relations for political advantage.

[Conserative Morality]

Carter would be the one sure to not game race relations for political advantage.

Does it matter if they game it so long as they also believe it?

[Sick Jumps]

That maybe he was a piece of shit who really didn't do that much good for the country and we should stop idealizing him.

He got us into World War II and facilitated a swifter victory, created a national welfare system, and controlled capitalist excesses, and ensured that America would claim her day in the sun. We can celebrate what's good about him and disparage the bad. Encourage the promotion of a man's virtues and not his vices.
N E W D E A L N O W ! A N D N E W D E A L F O R E V E R !

The Russians could indeed help the Democrats. Hell, China could help them. This is why election integrity has to be a bipartisan issue and should not be excessively politicized.

Yeah but you see, the Dems aren't trying to do stupid bullshit that either sucks off Emperor Xidong and Autocrat Putin or damaging our influence globally unnecessarily. Not all the time. (WHY RETRENCH, BARACK! YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!) And Hillary gave birth to Alexei Navalny and the Uyghurs and the pro-democracy movements and is out to kill Savior Xi Jinping and Honorable President Putin and eat their skulls and destroy their countries, and the CIA will feast upon their peoples and their peoples' bones.
But I guess if all Putin wants is interesting times in the USA he could certainly do that.

It is not inconceivable that the Democrats eventually nominate someone who is a Russia or PRC apologist. Those types do exist on the left as well.

I'm not siding with Trump when he brings this up, by the way. He's using it as a deflection tactic, and is throwing wood on the "we can't trust our elections" bonfire for his own political needs. That is not good leadership.

[Petrasylvania]

Carter would be the one sure to not game race relations for political advantage.

Does it matter if they game it so long as they also believe it?

If they're not cynical about it, great.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It is not inconceivable that the Democrats eventually nominate someone who is a Russia or PRC apologist. Those types do exist on the left as well.

PRC apologists especially, there's been at least a few left leaning people on this very forum who have insisted that me being against China and pointing out things they get up to (ie spying, manipulating student groups etc etc) is founded wholly in racism and they don't actually do any of it. We're gonna go the way of Canada if those types get more power.

[Jerzylvania]

Are you sure?

Carter would be the one sure to not game race relations for political advantage.

Yep. First time I voted for the winner in a presidential election. Although I supported Jerry Brown in the primary.

*thinks McGovern, shed a tear*

[Petrasylvania]

It is not inconceivable that the Democrats eventually nominate someone who is a Russia or PRC apologist. Those types do exist on the left as well.

PRC apologists especially, there's been at least a few left leaning people on this very forum who have insisted that me being against China and pointing out things they get up to (ie spying, manipulating student groups etc etc) is founded wholly in racism and they don't actually do any of it. We're gonna go the way of Canada if those types get more power.

Canada is a Chinese province now?

[Washington Resistance Army]

PRC apologists especially, there's been at least a few left leaning people on this very forum who have insisted that me being against China and pointing out things they get up to (ie spying, manipulating student groups etc etc) is founded wholly in racism and they don't actually do any of it. We're gonna go the way of Canada if those types get more power.

Canada is a Chinese province now?

Yes, that's why we stopped sharing important intelligence with them years ago under Obama. China has penetrated Canadian society at near every level.

[Post War America]

Senate Republicans shoot down extra funds for election security

Remember when Republicans were concerned about Russia? Yeah, that seemed like a long time ago. Also, aren't they supposed to be the party of "security"?

Given that Russia is no longer Socialist and is ostensibly a white and Christian country, they're not worried.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

He got us into World War II and facilitated a swifter victory, created a national welfare system, and controlled capitalist excesses, and ensured that America would claim her day in the sun. We can celebrate what's good about him and disparage the bad. Encourage the promotion of a man's virtues and not his vices.
N E W D E A L N O W ! A N D N E W D E A L F O R E V E R !

Yeah but you see, the Dems aren't trying to do stupid bullshit that either sucks off Emperor Xidong and Autocrat Putin or damaging our influence globally unnecessarily. Not all the time. (WHY RETRENCH, BARACK! YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!) And Hillary gave birth to Alexei Navalny and the Uyghurs and the pro-democracy movements and is out to kill Savior Xi Jinping and Honorable President Putin and eat their skulls and destroy their countries, and the CIA will feast upon their peoples and their peoples' bones.
But I guess if all Putin wants is interesting times in the USA he could certainly do that.

It is not inconceivable that the Democrats eventually nominate someone who is a Russia or PRC apologist. Those types do exist on the left as well.

I'm not siding with Trump when he brings this up, by the way. He's using it as a deflection tactic, and is throwing wood on the "we can't trust our elections" bonfire for his own political needs. That is not good leadership.

Unfortunately, we do have our own significant problems with those shits and another shit in office cutting down as many bedrock institutions as he can win out from destroying. I definitely agree that he is demonstrating horrible leadership.

[Conserative Morality]

Carter would be the one sure to not game race relations for political advantage.

Yep. First time I voted for the winner in a presidential election. Although I supported Jerry Brown in the primary.

*thinks McGovern, shed a tear*

O L D

[Jerzylvania]

Yep. First time I voted for the winner in a presidential election. Although I supported Jerry Brown in the primary.

*thinks McGovern, shed a tear*

O L D

Get off my lawn, punk.

[Senkaku]

Exactly. Anyone with modern attitudes to race (I.e. one that wouldn't get you fired from a public job in media or politics) wouldn't have won a presidential election before, what, 1990?

Are you sure?

Ah yes, Dwight Eisenhower, the man who launched Operation Wetback and complained to Earl Warren about little Southern girls having to sit in class with "big black bucks", definitely someone ya think of when you think "modern, tolerant racial attitudes" lol

[Conserative Morality]

Ah yes, Dwight Eisenhower, the man who launched Operation Wetback and complained to Earl Warren about little Southern girls having to sit in class with "big black bucks", definitely someone ya think of when you think "modern, tolerant racial attitudes" lol

The former, while unfortunately named, was undertaken at the request of the Mexican government. The latter is an urban legend.

[Senkaku]

Ah yes, Dwight Eisenhower, the man who launched Operation Wetback and complained to Earl Warren about little Southern girls having to sit in class with "big black bucks", definitely someone ya think of when you think "modern, tolerant racial attitudes" lol

The former, while unfortunately named, was undertaken at the request of the Mexican government.

It was undertaken in cooperation with the Mexican government after they pressed the US to try and reduce the number of immigrants coming, anyways. That doesn't really make it better (and I don't think "round up a million people and just dump a quarter of them on cargo ships bound for Veracruz, and throw the rest wherever" was necessarily what they had in mind).

The latter is an urban legend.

I'd like a source on this, actually

[Conserative Morality]

It was undertaken in cooperation with the Mexican government after they pressed the US to try and reduce the number of immigrants coming, anyways. That doesn't really make it better (and I don't think "round up a million people and just dump a quarter of them on cargo ships bound for Veracruz, and throw the rest wherever" was necessarily what they had in mind).

Typical American work. "We'll do it, but you can't make us do it good!" U S A

I'd like a source on this, actually

The only source for the quote is Earl Warren in writings after Ike's death, who Eisenhower had a notoriously bad relationship with, with Ike calling him a "Dumb son of a bitch" and his "biggest mistake". He's not a reliable source.