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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:12 am

Liriena wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Wew lad. Prosecuting a war against terror is worst than domestic corruption.

This but unironically.

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:22 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I can't remember an administration that was this openly corrupt.

G. Harding?

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Postby Tobleste » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:16 pm

Liriena wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Bush doesn't really compare anymore, does he?

Let's not go down that road just yet. Bush is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands.


He is but would Trump have done better if he was president in 2001? Bush definitely did more damage but he faced tougher situations than trump.
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Postby Uxupox » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:18 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Liriena wrote:Let's not go down that road just yet. Bush is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands.


He is but would Trump have done better if he was president in 2001? Bush definitely did more damage but he faced tougher situations than trump.


the only person who could have done "better" was Barbara Lee.
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Postby Triassica » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:43 pm


And with Brett "The President can ignore the Law" Kavanaugh, we are only going to get ever closer to a Corporate and Theocratic Banana Republic under this administration and beyond.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:44 pm

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:46 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I can't remember an administration that was this openly corrupt.

G. Harding?

I had to google him, and I'm actually kind've relieved that we have to go so far back to find one.

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Postby Genivaria » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:48 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Wew lad. Prosecuting a war against terror is worst than domestic corruption.

This but unironically.

I'm not crying over militant theocrats.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:49 pm

Triassica wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Yet another fuck up from Trumps administration.

What else is new?

And with Brett "The President can ignore the Law" Kavanaugh, we are only going to get ever closer to a Corporate and Theocratic Banana Republic under this administration and beyond.

No we're not.
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Postby Triassica » Sat Jul 14, 2018 1:57 pm

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Triassica wrote:And with Brett "The President can ignore the Law" Kavanaugh, we are only going to get ever closer to a Corporate and Theocratic Banana Republic under this administration and beyond.

No we're not.

Prove that the powers of that be don't want to see Roe V Wade and other right granting rulings for women, gays and minorities overturned and come back to me.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:00 pm

Triassica wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:No we're not.

Prove that the powers of that be don't want to see Roe V Wade and other right granting rulings for women, gays and minorities overturned and come back to me.

Because otherwise Trump would have picked Barrett? He picked someone who sits in the middle and who was a friend of Kennedy-also in the middle. Trump believes he fulfilled his duty to pro-life voters when he reinstated the Mexico City Policy his first week in office. He also has members of his staff working with Planned Parenthood to fight a group of unionists in one of the states. Not to mention he’s flip-flopped on the issue far too many times. He doesn’t care about abortion as an issue.
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:00 pm

Triassica wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:No we're not.

Prove that the powers of that be don't want to see Roe V Wade and other right granting rulings for women, gays and minorities overturned and come back to me.

Then stop spewing the same Chicken Little hyperbolic BS all the fucking time.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:02 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Liriena wrote:Let's not go down that road just yet. Bush is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands.


He is but would Trump have done better if he was president in 2001? Bush definitely did more damage but he faced tougher situations than trump.

Yep. Got locked in conflict with the ME his first year in office, thanks to 9/11. We’re still in that war technically, but Trump hasn’t had a whole lot of boots put on the ground, as far as I know.
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Postby Luminesa » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:02 pm

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Postby Triassica » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:12 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Triassica wrote:Prove that the powers of that be don't want to see Roe V Wade and other right granting rulings for women, gays and minorities overturned and come back to me.

Because otherwise Trump would have picked Barrett? He picked someone who sits in the middle and who was a friend of Kennedy-also in the middle. Trump believes he fulfilled his duty to pro-life voters when he reinstated the Mexico City Policy his first week in office. He also has members of his staff working with Planned Parenthood to fight a group of unionists in one of the states. Not to mention he’s flip-flopped on the issue far too many times. He doesn’t care about abortion as an issue.

Trump pick for SCOTUS would gladly overturn Roe V Wade in a heartbeat.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... de-697634/
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Postby Freezic Vast » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:16 pm

Triassica wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Because otherwise Trump would have picked Barrett? He picked someone who sits in the middle and who was a friend of Kennedy-also in the middle. Trump believes he fulfilled his duty to pro-life voters when he reinstated the Mexico City Policy his first week in office. He also has members of his staff working with Planned Parenthood to fight a group of unionists in one of the states. Not to mention he’s flip-flopped on the issue far too many times. He doesn’t care about abortion as an issue.

Trump pick for SCOTUS would gladly overturn Roe V Wade in a heartbeat.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... de-697634/

Sure, because we're totally gonna believe a random opinionated RS article.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:18 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I can't remember an administration that was this openly corrupt.

Harding and Grant were pretty bad.

Grant put some of the first anti-corruption controls in place. He doesn't deserve to be even mentioned in the same sentence.
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Postby Xracona » Sat Jul 14, 2018 2:32 pm

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They're trying to remove protections from student loans, because they make a lot of money from lobbyists, especially the ones that practice loan fraud in the shadows.


I was actually under the impression most student loans are either Federal or State or a combination of both, with a very small percentage being private loans or a mixture of both.

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Postby Jerzylvania » Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:04 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I can't remember an administration that was this openly corrupt.

Harding and Grant were pretty bad.


Those two guys don't belong in the same sentence. Harding was mega corrupt and so were his appointees. Grant somehow surrounded himself with the corruptables but wasn't really one himself. He ended up broke, until he wrote his memoirs literally while at death's door.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:32 pm

Jerzylvania wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Harding and Grant were pretty bad.


Those two guys don't belong in the same sentence. Harding was mega corrupt and so were his appointees. Grant somehow surrounded himself with the corruptables but wasn't really one himself. He ended up broke, until he wrote his memoirs literally while at death's door.

Hmmm, the Teapot Dome Scandal did involve the Harding administration, but did not involve Harding himself, AFAIK.
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Although [Albert B.] Fall was to blame for this scandal, Harding's reputation was sullied because of his involvement with the wrong people. Evidence proving Fall's guilt only arose after Harding's death in 1923.[9] This was not the first time that Fall's character had been called into question. He had been suspected of the 1896 murder of rival attorney and politician Albert Jennings Fountain and his eight-year-old son Henry at White Sands near Tularosa, as the Fountains rode home from a meeting at Fall's ranch.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:01 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Liriena wrote:Let's not go down that road just yet. Bush is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands.


I was putting that aside for now and speaking more towards the raw corporate cronyism of either administration.

I'm sure we're never going to see the full depths of all the contracts Halburton and the other companies made off of Iraq.
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Postby Uxupox » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:02 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I was putting that aside for now and speaking more towards the raw corporate cronyism of either administration.

I'm sure we're never going to see the full depths of all the contracts Halburton and the other companies made off of Iraq.


Is Halburton a Chinese subsidiary?
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Sat Jul 14, 2018 5:03 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:I'm sure we're never going to see the full depths of all the contracts Halburton and the other companies made off of Iraq.


Is Halburton a Chinese subsidiary?

We hired Chinese subsidiaries in 2004?

The very fact that Chinese companies own Iraq now doesn't change the fact that a lot of the contracts in the Iraq war went to companies well connected to people working in the Bush Administration.
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