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Real Madrid vs Liverpool Incident: Klopp Karate Stunt

Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed May 30, 2018 1:06 am

During the very recent Real Madrid vs Liverpool football match, the final game of 2018 UEFA Champions League Final... the score was 0-1 in favour of Real Madrid when suddenly Liverpool scored a point and it became 1-1.

At that moment Liverpool's coach Jurgen Klopp turned around, and issued a bunch of karate/punch moves at the air. These moves were executed rapidly, forcefully, and with uninterrupted progression (if there had been a ghost standing there it may have been obliterated by the said karate/punch moves).

Now the discussion issue I want to bring up from this is as follows:

Was this conduct appropriate? Is it acceptable for a football coach, when his team scores a point, to turn around and then launch a series of karate/punch moves at the air?

Or does such conduct cross the line into the improper promotion of violence?

Please discuss.

After a great deal of deliberation, I have personally reached the conclusion that it is borderline acceptable. It is true that the coach has the moral authority to lead by example and shouldn't be promoting violence (and it is true that millions of people, including children, are watching on TV)... but at the same time, it is a football game and everyone can get a little excited. I consider his conduct in this case acceptable because in part because it was 1-1. If the goal had turned say, a 2-1 into a 3-1 then maybe it wouldn't be okay.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 30, 2018 1:12 am

Until someone actually pulls a Cantona I do not see the problem.

Or are we going to start trying to ban finger-guns next?
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Postby The Peoples of Xaer » Wed May 30, 2018 1:15 am

tl;dr: Should victory dances be banned?

Answer: The dude was doing a bloody victory dance to celebrate the point. At no point is throwing punches at empty air "promoting violence." Nobody was harmed, no desire to inflict harm toward anybody was expressed, it was just a horizontal fist pump instead of the vertical "YES!" variety. It was a perfectly appropriate way of expressing excitement, and the appropriateness of it hasn't got a goddamn thing to do with the fact that the point brought the score to 1-1, it would be just as appropriate if it had brought the score to 2-1 or 3-1.

tl;dr answer: This "situation" about a dude doing a victory dance is a total non-event.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed May 30, 2018 1:38 am

The Peoples of Xaer wrote:tl;dr: Should victory dances be banned?

Answer: The dude was doing a bloody victory dance to celebrate the point. At no point is throwing punches at empty air "promoting violence." Nobody was harmed, no desire to inflict harm toward anybody was expressed, it was just a horizontal fist pump instead of the vertical "YES!" variety. It was a perfectly appropriate way of expressing excitement, and the appropriateness of it hasn't got a goddamn thing to do with the fact that the point brought the score to 1-1, it would be just as appropriate if it had brought the score to 2-1 or 3-1.

tl;dr answer: This "situation" about a dude doing a victory dance is a total non-event.


I think a victory dance is in the clear unless it involves the excessively obscene.
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Postby The Peoples of Xaer » Wed May 30, 2018 1:43 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
The Peoples of Xaer wrote:tl;dr: Should victory dances be banned?

Answer: The dude was doing a bloody victory dance to celebrate the point. At no point is throwing punches at empty air "promoting violence." Nobody was harmed, no desire to inflict harm toward anybody was expressed, it was just a horizontal fist pump instead of the vertical "YES!" variety. It was a perfectly appropriate way of expressing excitement, and the appropriateness of it hasn't got a goddamn thing to do with the fact that the point brought the score to 1-1, it would be just as appropriate if it had brought the score to 2-1 or 3-1.

tl;dr answer: This "situation" about a dude doing a victory dance is a total non-event.


I think a victory dance is in the clear unless it involves the excessively obscene.

So then you've got no problem with a dude punching thin air for a victory dance? Why are we even here then?

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Postby Individual Thought Patterns » Wed May 30, 2018 1:49 am

This isn't an 'incident' and it doesn't matter.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed May 30, 2018 2:03 am

Ah yes, that's the incident of the match
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Postby Bombadil » Wed May 30, 2018 3:31 am

MERIZoC wrote:Ah yes, that's the incident of the match


I saw Ramos judo-chop Salah and 'hey, that's just football', I saw the first goal and thought 'maybe he didn't see that massive forward just yards away', I saw the Bale goal and thought 'my granny could have faff'd that in with her slippers', and I saw the last goal and thought 'oops butterfingers..'

..but I saw Klopp celebrate a goal and my god I was incensed and wondered if this was the epitome of the decline of Western civilisation!

Still.. there's a lot of things around celebrating sport or not.. from goal celebrations being punished whether player or manager, or people taking the knee.. and I guess there's a question of what should or not be allowed in sports.

Quite frankly I like a little celebration.. take a look at this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TziJLVYJOa0

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Postby Risottia » Wed May 30, 2018 5:15 am

Vassenor wrote:Until someone actually pulls a Cantona I do not see the problem.

Or a Zidane.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed May 30, 2018 5:27 am

This isn't an issue. Not until the word "honor" is part of the discussion, surely.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed May 30, 2018 5:30 am

Risottia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Until someone actually pulls a Cantona I do not see the problem.

Or a Zidane.


Zidane acted very professionally throughout. Its really Klopp's conduct that made me really think...
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Wed May 30, 2018 5:36 am

All I see is that Liverhampton needs another goalkeeper.

Maybe someone can give them one.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 30, 2018 6:15 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Risottia wrote:Or a Zidane.


Zidane acted very professionally throughout. Its really Klopp's conduct that made me really think...


I think he is referencing this Zidane incident in 2006

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Postby Chestaan » Wed May 30, 2018 6:25 am

Vassenor wrote:Until someone actually pulls a Cantona I do not see the problem.

Or are we going to start trying to ban finger-guns next?


Damn I love rewatching that kick!
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Postby Purpelia » Wed May 30, 2018 6:25 am

The question in the OP is literally so retarded that there is no non offensive word for stupidity that can be used.

It's just so stupid that I literally can not even begin to construct an argument. I tried. But I just don't understand the mechanism of thought that it takes to reach the conclusion the OP did to get to "promoting violence" from the act as it happened. How can a human mind look at another human being punching the air and conclude that this is a propaganda act meant to increase the propensity of violence in society?

It's just not sane.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed May 30, 2018 6:35 am

Vassenor wrote:Until someone actually pulls a Cantona I do not see the problem.

Or are we going to start trying to ban finger-guns next?

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Postby Sovaal » Wed May 30, 2018 9:38 am

My fucking god. Are we really at this point where fucking air karate is promoting violence people? God fucking damn. Might as well ban books becuase it pushes a culture of slaying dragons and saving princesses and other bull.

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Sovaal wrote:My fucking god. Are we really at this point where fucking air karate is promoting violence people? God fucking damn. Might as well ban books becuase it pushes a culture of slaying dragons and saving princesses and other bull.


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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 30, 2018 9:57 am

This is literally a non-issue.

"OMG, I'm triggered by a guy doing air karate that's directed to nobody! We are doomed!"

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Postby Dogmeat » Wed May 30, 2018 10:00 am

He should be hung by his entrails and paraded around the city as a warning to others.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 30, 2018 10:06 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:This is literally a non-issue.

"OMG, I'm triggered by a guy doing air karate that's directed to nobody! We are doomed!"


Can we really be sure that the 2017 Las Vegas massacre wasn't a direct consequence of Elvis performing air karate on stage in Vegas in 1974?

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 30, 2018 10:17 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:This is literally a non-issue.

"OMG, I'm triggered by a guy doing air karate that's directed to nobody! We are doomed!"


Can we really be sure that the 2017 Las Vegas massacre wasn't a direct consequence of Elvis performing air karate on stage in Vegas in 1974?


I know this is sarcasm, but as much as I believe in the butterfly theory, that shit sounds quite absurd.

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