Capital Punishment for Abortion? Yes.

[San Lumen]

Are you going to adopt the unwanted children? Should a victim of rape or incest be forced to carry the child to term?

Before that act, women and men need to think carefully if they want children or not

Please tell me your joking. Rape and incest don’t involve family planning. What a totally asinine response

[Gospel Power]

Before that act, women and men need to think carefully if they want children or not

Because rape needs to involve family planning.

Women don't need to walk alone in the darkness, men need to protect women

[Ifreann]

Self-defense law does. If I threaten you with bodily harm, you are entirely justified to defend yourself by any means necessary - up to and including killing me, if necessary.

Unfortunately, in the case of unwanted pregnancy, the woman only has one means to end the unwanted pregnancy the moment it is unwanted and thus to defend herself/enact her bodily sovereignty: removing the fetus. The fetus dying is a rather unfortunate side effect.

Luckily, the US biotechnology industry is getting better with artificial wombs, so eventually, that death will be preventable by transplanting the fetus into an artificial womb and then sending the resultant baby into adoptive care. But until that time, the death is unavoidable as it is the only way to end an unwanted pregnancy immediately and to enact/uphold bodily sovereignty.

What then do you say to laws (which pro-choicers hate) that require an abortionist to attempt to save a child which, through chance, survives an abortion?

Sounds like a pointless law that was only passed as propaganda.

[Petrasylvania]

What then do you say to laws (which pro-choicers hate) that require an abortionist to attempt to save a child which, through chance, survives an abortion?

Sounds like a pointless law that was only passed as propaganda.

A step down from pre-abortion guilt trip ultrasound.

[Greater Arab State]

Amusingly, anti-abortionists also oppose contraception which makes abortions unnecessary to begin with. Seems less about protecting life and more about punishing sex and reducing women to baby factories.

Anti Abortionists are just stupid

I respectfully disagree with that sir/ma'am on the founds that the pro life community values the potential of human life and wishes to benefit society. Sorry about this.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Self-defense law does. If I threaten you with bodily harm, you are entirely justified to defend yourself by any means necessary - up to and including killing me, if necessary.

Unfortunately, in the case of unwanted pregnancy, the woman only has one means to end the unwanted pregnancy the moment it is unwanted and thus to defend herself/enact her bodily sovereignty: removing the fetus. The fetus dying is a rather unfortunate side effect.

Luckily, the US biotechnology industry is getting better with artificial wombs, so eventually, that death will be preventable by transplanting the fetus into an artificial womb and then sending the resultant baby into adoptive care. But until that time, the death is unavoidable as it is the only way to end an unwanted pregnancy immediately and to enact/uphold bodily sovereignty.

What then do you say to laws (which pro-choicers hate) that require an abortionist to attempt to save a child which, through chance, survives an abortion?

Can we divert medical resources towards goals actually useful to humanity?

[Claorica]

What then do you say to laws (which pro-choicers hate) that require an abortionist to attempt to save a child which, through chance, survives an abortion?

Sounds like a pointless law that was only passed as propaganda.

Or, you know, a law passed after several widely-reported cases of abortionists literally leaving survivors out to die, throwing them in the trash, and otherwise treating them with none of the dignity afforded human life?

[Dominara]

And the logical conclusion of being pro-abortion is to eventually lead to the legalization of infanticide.

Nice slippery slope fallacy.

[Vassenor]

Anti Abortionists are just stupid

I respectfully disagree with that sir/ma'am on the founds that the pro life community values the potential of human life and wishes to benefit society. Sorry about this.

So how does abolishing bodily sovereignty benefit society?

[The V O I D]

Sounds like a pointless law that was only passed as propaganda.

Or, you know, a law passed after several widely-reported cases of abortionists literally leaving survivors out to die, throwing them in the trash, and otherwise treating them with none of the dignity afforded human life?

Literally, at most, none of that happens. What sources do you have?

I'll give you a hint: if they are a pro-life source or lean pro-life or are otherwise conservative, they are likely biased and lying, or just plain lying for the sake of anti-abortion propaganda.

[Afreena]

Anti Abortionists are just stupid

I respectfully disagree with that sir/ma'am on the founds that the pro life community values the potential of human life and wishes to benefit society. Sorry about this.

I've seen Pro-Life people who shot up an abortion clinic and killed a couple of women just because they were Aborting.

[Napkiraly]

It's also worth noting that the fetus (specifically the role of the placenta) and the body of the mother have a complex cooperative relationship, trying to get the best outcome for the survival of both. It's not a simple "it harms the mother".

And the fetus is occupying her bodily space/uterus, it is using her bodily resources and dumping waste into her body. That makes it one step away from being a parasite.

A woman has the right to reject such from her body.

>Tfw you didn't comment on the morality or immorality of abortion

Try again, buckerino.

[Vassenor]

I respectfully disagree with that sir/ma'am on the founds that the pro life community values the potential of human life and wishes to benefit society. Sorry about this.

I've seen Pro-Life people who shot up an abortion clinic and killed a couple of women just because they were Aborting.

It's quite common, sadly.

[The V O I D]

And the fetus is occupying her bodily space/uterus, it is using her bodily resources and dumping waste into her body. That makes it one step away from being a parasite.

A woman has the right to reject such from her body.

>Tfw you didn't comment on the morality or immorality of abortion

Try again, buckerino.

I wasn't trying to suggest you were. But the relationship between fetus and woman doesn't matter beyond whether the woman decides she wants to be pregnant and goes through with the entire pregnancy. That's what I was trying to illustrate.

[Napkiraly]

>Tfw you didn't comment on the morality or immorality of abortion

Try again, buckerino.

I wasn't trying to suggest you were. But the relationship between fetus and woman doesn't matter beyond whether the woman decides she wants to be pregnant and goes through with the entire pregnancy. That's what I was trying to illustrate.

And I'm trying to illustrate that calling them parasites is not helpful (for those pushing the pro-choice arguments) and not accurate according to a lot of biologists.

I dunno, guys, like ya know don't use that terminology? Whowouldathunk that it's a good idea to not shackle your own end.

[Alvecia]

I'm trying to get a definitive answer on which criteria it fails, and you've given me nothing but two criteria that don't seem to matter.
If there exists necessary criteria for defining a parasite that a foetus does not pass that excludes it from being defined as such, as you so very heavily imply, then I would very much like to know what they are.

Inherently detrimental to the host in some capacity, and actually far more constrained according to some textbooks than I even I thought (limiting it between two different species). https://books.google.ca/books?dq=Cheng,+T.C.,+General+Parasitology,+p.+7,+1973&hl=en&id=d4GQlYzode8C&lr=&oi=fnd&ots=l6EmR3PEvV&pg=PP1&sig=wr-51nFxVEYVcWvVnLhfGq8jVls&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Cheng%2C%20T.C.%2C%20General%20Parasitology%2C%20p.%207%2C%201973&f=false Page 2 offers the rough, generalized definition.

The only criteria of note that I can find it violates is that of heterospecific organisms (different species), which:
1) you've already provided an example of a parasite that violates said criteria
2) this book points out these definitions are not universal, but rather "brief", "general", and "often" (not always) used.

[Lamur]

I respectfully disagree with that sir/ma'am on the founds that the pro life community values the potential of human life and wishes to benefit society. Sorry about this.

So how does abolishing bodily sovereignty benefit society?

The whole idea that antiabortionists believe the unborn also has bodily sovereignty, that it is not a thing or parasite or tumor to be removed, but has its own unique DNA sequence, its own human lineage, and is not a property that parents own. Pro-choice people don't even consider that there is another human being in the picture.

To acknowledge the rights of the unborn who are at the mercy of the abortionist is considered to be of higher moral value than an adult woman's right over what she chooses to do with her body. Antiabortionists don't care what a woman does with her body, it is the body/life of the unborn they're concerned about. I feel like a lot of pro-choice people don't understand this bit.

[Ifreann]

Sounds like a pointless law that was only passed as propaganda.

Or, you know, a law passed after several widely-reported cases of abortionists literally leaving survivors out to die, throwing them in the trash, and otherwise treating them with none of the dignity afforded human life?

Yes, I'm sure there were many scary stories accompanying the passing of such laws. The better to win the support of pro-life voters. Of course, even if those stories are true, they'd just be one out of billions.

[Western-Ukraine]

At a certain point in development, an embryo is human enough already. That is to say, it has a right to life just like everyone else does. Abortion at that point should only be permitted in certain circumstances, such as incest, rape or danger to the mother's life. A jail sentence would be appropriate for crimes in this regard.

[New Greater Netherlands]

In my opinion abortion is child murder and i think it should be illegal and the person who wants to basically kill her unborn baby that she should be put in jail

[Claorica]

Or, you know, a law passed after several widely-reported cases of abortionists literally leaving survivors out to die, throwing them in the trash, and otherwise treating them with none of the dignity afforded human life?

Literally, at most, none of that happens. What sources do you have?

I'll give you a hint: if they are a pro-life source or lean pro-life or are otherwise conservative, they are likely biased and lying, or just plain lying for the sake of anti-abortion propaganda.

I could say the same about most pro-choice or left wing sources.

[San Lumen]

In my opinion abortion is child murder and i think it should be illegal and the person who wants to basically kill her unborn baby that she should be put in jail

So a victim of a rape or incest should be forced to carry the child to term?

[Fordorsia]

In my opinion abortion is child murder and i think it should be illegal and the person who wants to basically kill her unborn baby that she should be put in jail

hahaha

[The V O I D]

I wasn't trying to suggest you were. But the relationship between fetus and woman doesn't matter beyond whether the woman decides she wants to be pregnant and goes through with the entire pregnancy. That's what I was trying to illustrate.

And I'm trying to illustrate that calling them parasites is not helpful (for those pushing the pro-choice arguments) and not accurate according to a lot of biologists.

I dunno, guys, like ya know don't use that terminology? Whowouldathunk that it's a good idea to not shackle your own end.

It is one step away from parasitism, by definition:

Merriam-Webster: an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism...

The fetus is an organism living in another organism and parasitizing by stealing her bodily space, resources, etc. for its own benefit while causing likely permanent bodily changes to the host, causing a risk of death should any complications arise, and using the host as a waste disposal mechanism by pumping her full of its waste.

It is, in function, a parasite. The fact they are of the same species is irrelevant.

[Western-Ukraine]

In my opinion abortion is child murder and i think it should be illegal and the person who wants to basically kill her unborn baby that she should be put in jail

So a victim of a rape or incest should be forced to carry the child to term?

Not that incest implies anyone being a victim. It's still an abomination though.