Capital Punishment for Abortion? Yes.

[San Lumen]

Abortion is wrong, but I don't think that people that perform that act should face execution, Education needed

Are you going to adopt the unwanted children? Should a victim of rape or incest be forced to carry the child to term?

[Petrasylvania]

Abortion is wrong, but I don't think that people that perform that act should face execution, Education needed

Are you going to adopt the unwanted children? Should a victim of rape or incest be forced to carry the child to term?

"Protect the Unborn, but once they're squirted out the fucking parasites are on their own."

[Claorica]

There is a difference between the "right to life" that would force someone to give me an organ (which does not exist) and the RIGHT TO LIFE that precludes the willful premeditated murder of a human being.

the "right to life" does not preclude bodily sovereignty. the Right to Life does.

Cherrypicking is not a valid excuse, you'll note that I said that. You don't get to cherrypick or define the right to life in such a way that mistreats women and forbids them the same right to bodily sovereignty literally everyone else gets in this or any other specific situation.

Bodily sovereignty is greater than any right to life. Period.

You're cutting off my finger. you've made it clear that you're cutting off my finger, and that's all you're doing.

Does my right to bodily sovereignty at that point give me the right to kill you?

[Afreena]

Anti Abortionists be like:

Oh hey, that Woman is Aborting a Human being. Thatz Murder!1! I say we kill her too just because abortion is bad doublekill lol

Go to hell if you think like this

[Fordorsia]

The delusion in this thread makes me angry and makes me laugh. I'll kill a thousand fetuses before I let this company die.

[Gospel Power]

Abortion is wrong, but I don't think that people that perform that act should face execution, Education needed

Reeducation by labour for "abortionists"?

Education from young age would prevent that disaster

[Napkiraly]

Except the relationship between the mother and fetus does not hit many of the criteria, I used those two because hopefully they were simple enough to make people realize that the layman's use of parasite is different than how actual defined and studied parasites are categorized. Who knew biology was a messy, complicated bidness.

I'm trying to get a definitive answer on which criteria it fails, and you've given me nothing but two criteria that don't seem to matter.
If there exists necessary criteria for defining a parasite that a foetus does not pass that excludes it from being defined as such, as you so very heavily imply, then I would very much like to know what they are.

Inherently detrimental to the host in some capacity, and actually far more constrained according to some textbooks than I even I thought (limiting it between two different species). https://books.google.ca/books?dq=Cheng,+T.C.,+General+Parasitology,+p.+7,+1973&hl=en&id=d4GQlYzode8C&lr=&oi=fnd&ots=l6EmR3PEvV&pg=PP1&sig=wr-51nFxVEYVcWvVnLhfGq8jVls&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Cheng%2C%20T.C.%2C%20General%20Parasitology%2C%20p.%207%2C%201973&f=false Page 2 offers the rough, generalized definition.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Reeducation by labour for "abortionists"?

Education from young age would prevent that disaster

Ah, so Kadavergehorsamkeit.

[The V O I D]

Cherrypicking is not a valid excuse, you'll note that I said that. You don't get to cherrypick or define the right to life in such a way that mistreats women and forbids them the same right to bodily sovereignty literally everyone else gets in this or any other specific situation.

Bodily sovereignty is greater than any right to life. Period.

You're cutting off my finger. you've made it clear that you're cutting off my finger, and that's all you're doing.

Does my right to bodily sovereignty at that point give me the right to kill you?

Self-defense law does. If I threaten you with bodily harm, you are entirely justified to defend yourself by any means necessary - up to and including killing me, if necessary.

Unfortunately, in the case of unwanted pregnancy, the woman only has one means to end the unwanted pregnancy the moment it is unwanted and thus to defend herself/enact her bodily sovereignty: removing the fetus. The fetus dying is a rather unfortunate side effect.

Luckily, the US biotechnology industry is getting better with artificial wombs, so eventually, that death will be preventable by transplanting the fetus into an artificial womb and then sending the resultant baby into adoptive care. But until that time, the death is unavoidable as it is the only way to end an unwanted pregnancy immediately and to enact/uphold bodily sovereignty.

[Gospel Power]

Education from young age would prevent that disaster

Ah, so Kadavergehorsamkeit.

Seriously, labour camps sounds nice and all, but in this age, only education will do the job

[Claorica]

You're cutting off my finger. you've made it clear that you're cutting off my finger, and that's all you're doing.

Does my right to bodily sovereignty at that point give me the right to kill you?

Self-defense law does. If I threaten you with bodily harm, you are entirely justified to defend yourself by any means necessary - up to and including killing me, if necessary.

Unfortunately, in the case of unwanted pregnancy, the woman only has one means to end the unwanted pregnancy the moment it is unwanted and thus to defend herself/enact her bodily sovereignty: removing the fetus. The fetus dying is a rather unfortunate side effect.

Luckily, the US biotechnology industry is getting better with artificial wombs, so eventually, that death will be preventable by transplanting the fetus into an artificial womb and then sending the resultant baby into adoptive care. But until that time, the death is unavoidable as it is the only way to end an unwanted pregnancy immediately and to enact/uphold bodily sovereignty.

What then do you say to laws (which pro-choicers hate) that require an abortionist to attempt to save a child which, through chance, survives an abortion?

[Petrasylvania]

Amusingly, anti-abortionists also oppose contraception which makes abortions unnecessary to begin with. Seems less about protecting life and more about punishing sex and reducing women to baby factories.

[Afreena]

Amusingly, anti-abortionists also oppose contraception which makes abortions unnecessary to begin with. Seems less about protecting life and more about punishing sex and reducing women to baby factories.

Anti Abortionists are just stupid

[Ifreann]

Cherrypicking is not a valid excuse, you'll note that I said that. You don't get to cherrypick or define the right to life in such a way that mistreats women and forbids them the same right to bodily sovereignty literally everyone else gets in this or any other specific situation.

Bodily sovereignty is greater than any right to life. Period.

You're cutting off my finger. you've made it clear that you're cutting off my finger, and that's all you're doing.

Does my right to bodily sovereignty at that point give me the right to kill you?

If there is no other reasonable course of action to protect your finger, yes.

[Claorica]

Anti Abortionists be like:

Oh hey, that Woman is Aborting a Human being. Thatz Murder!1! I say we kill her too just because abortion is bad doublekill lol

Go to hell if you think like this

Murder of an innocent life is not a moral equivalent to an execution.

And most people don't support executing the woman who sought it, Only the person who actually kills it.

[Gospel Power]

Abortion is wrong, but I don't think that people that perform that act should face execution, Education needed

Are you going to adopt the unwanted children? Should a victim of rape or incest be forced to carry the child to term?

Before that act, women and men need to think carefully if they want children or not

[The V O I D]

Self-defense law does. If I threaten you with bodily harm, you are entirely justified to defend yourself by any means necessary - up to and including killing me, if necessary.

Unfortunately, in the case of unwanted pregnancy, the woman only has one means to end the unwanted pregnancy the moment it is unwanted and thus to defend herself/enact her bodily sovereignty: removing the fetus. The fetus dying is a rather unfortunate side effect.

Luckily, the US biotechnology industry is getting better with artificial wombs, so eventually, that death will be preventable by transplanting the fetus into an artificial womb and then sending the resultant baby into adoptive care. But until that time, the death is unavoidable as it is the only way to end an unwanted pregnancy immediately and to enact/uphold bodily sovereignty.

What then do you say to laws (which pro-choicers hate) that require an abortionist to attempt to save a child which, through chance, survives an abortion?

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

If you're talking about abortions upon the fetus achieving viability outside of the womb, I'm pretty sure in most places it is standard procedure to instead of killing the fetus to just remove it and then keep it in the ICU to see if it survives. If it does, then great, it is cared for until such time as it can survive outside of the ICU and then sent into adoptive care after receiving necessary vaccinations and the like.

I don't think a law is needed to require that. Prior to viability, short of the artificial womb being viable as a place to transplant the fetus, the fetus is likely to die and there are very few things that can stop it.

[Fordorsia]

A bunch of cells clumped together with no brain, consciousness, feelings or opinions has no rights. How is this so hard for people to accept. Life isn't precious. Get over it.

We can't let the abortion market collapse.

[Grenartia]

Maybe instead of punishing abortion, yall can actually treat the root cause of it: Poverty and lack of access to effective sex ed and contraception. Ounce of prevention, pound of cure, all that shit.

[Petrasylvania]

Are you going to adopt the unwanted children? Should a victim of rape or incest be forced to carry the child to term?

Before that act, women and men need to think carefully if they want children or not

Because rape needs to involve family planning.

[Napkiraly]

It's also worth noting that the fetus (specifically the role of the placenta) and the body of the mother have a complex cooperative relationship, trying to get the best outcome for the survival of both. It's not a simple "it harms the mother".

[Ifreann]

Amusingly, anti-abortionists also oppose contraception which makes abortions unnecessary to begin with. Seems less about protecting life and more about punishing sex and reducing women to baby factories.

Anti Abortionists are just stupid

You're gonna get banned before the day is out if you keep this up.

[Petrasylvania]

Maybe instead of punishing abortion, yall can actually treat the root cause of it: Poverty and lack of access to effective sex ed and contraception. Ounce of prevention, pound of cure, all that shit.

Amusingly, anti-abortionists also oppose contraception which makes abortions unnecessary to begin with. Seems less about protecting life and more about punishing sex and reducing women to baby factories.

[Alvecia]

After reading some of the more recent posts, I'm sick and horrified. How can anyone think to punish people for controlling their own bodies? What the fuck? No, seriously. Bodily sovereignty is the human right, the most basic right.

a completely morally independent unit of life.

Interesting. I'd like to know what moral positions a recently concepted embyo has.

[The V O I D]

It's also worth noting that the fetus (specifically the role of the placenta) and the body of the mother have a complex cooperative relationship, trying to get the best outcome for the survival of both. It's not a simple "it harms the mother".

And the fetus is occupying her bodily space/uterus, it is using her bodily resources and dumping waste into her body. That makes it one step away from being a parasite.

A woman has the right to reject such from her body.