Capital Punishment for Abortion? Yes.

[Napkiraly]

I was literally taught in high school that fetuses were by biologically parasites

Just googling the definition I reckon it's easily defined as such, so I wonder where all the biologists are disagreeing. Is it the latter part, I wonder?

parasite
ˈparəsʌɪt/
noun
noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites

1.
an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.

Parasites are 1) almost always an organism from another species that invades the body of an organism from a different species. 2) Parasites are near always detrimental to the health of the host. The only one I can think of that is not "that bad" is the tongue eating louse, and i) I reckon most people don't want to lose their tongues ii) iirc there are studies that show that fish infected with them are actually underweight so there you go. Fetuses are not from a different species and are not invasive as they come from within the body.

The relationship between a fetuses and its mother is closer to mutualism or commensalism.

[Roskian Federation]

Just googling the definition I reckon it's easily defined as such, so I wonder where all the biologists are disagreeing. Is it the latter part, I wonder?

parasite
ˈparəsʌɪt/
noun
noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites

1.
an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.

Parasites are 1) almost always an organism from another species that invades the body of an organism from a different species. 2) Parasites are near always detrimental to the health of the host. The only one I can think of that is not "that bad" is the tongue eating louse, and i) I reckon most people don't want to lose their tongues ii) iirc there are studies that show that fish infected with them are actually underweight so there you go.

The relationship between a fetuses and its mother is closer to mutualism or commensalism.

1: false
2: false. They go at the expense of the host, but they aren't usually detrimental (as that would actually be detrimental to them as well)

[Petrasylvania]

Notice people who are upset about abortions will never protest to protect cancer.

Because cancer is a malignant and ultimately deadly mass of cells which is, minus a small mutation, genetically identical to that of the sufferer.

an unborn child is not malignant, and genetically unique from the mother.

Tell that to Savita Halappanavar.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Then your biology teacher was/is a fucking retard.

I think you're just using the negative connotation.

Fetuses are in fact parasites, just like tomatoes are fruit. The point is that the life of the fetus comes from the host, while offering no tangible benefits back. It doesn't usually harm the mother, but Napkiraly we can't go back to just shouting and not using scientific evidence to back up such a claim.

Fixed.

[Fordorsia]

So anyone who ends a life should be executed. Got it.

[Napkiraly]

Then your biology teacher was/is a fucking retard.

I think you're just using the negative connotation.

Fetuses are in fact parasites, just like tomatoes are fruit. The point is that the life of the fetus comes from the host, while offering no tangible benefits back. It doesn't harm the mother, but Napkiraly we can't go back to just shouting and not using scientific evidence to back up such a claim.

Continuation of ones genes and fetuses will transfer some of their stem cells to their mother (which is good for things like healing). This is not to mention a number of positive chemical/emotional fee fees that most mothers get upon motherhood. Even if there were no tangible benefits, it still would not be a parasite and would be a relationship closer to commensalism than parasitism. Fetuses are not parasites, buckerino.

[Claorica]

It is improper but in the same way that Malcom X's calls for violence and bombing of police stations by Mandela's goons were improper.

So you believe that legal abortion is a holocaust causing huge numbers of deaths and that the medics responsible are worse than the Nazis.

And now you tell us that you also believe that it is wrong to use violence to prevent these deaths.



So...do you think it was wrong to fight Hitler and stop the Holocaust?

I hold to the religious motive that, except in immediate defense (that is, someone who is immediately threatening or attempting to kill you or someone around you in a situation you did not intentionally instigate), violence against humans is the monopoly of the state and even then with some limitations like due process. So civil unrest and terrorism, especially threatening the lives of not just abortionists and their staffs but innocent bystanders, is bad.

and I do think it was wrong to saturation bomb cities, threatening and ending the lives of tens of thousands (even hundreds of thousands) of civilians, was wrong, no matter the "ends."

[Roskian Federation]

I think you're just using the negative connotation.

Fetuses are in fact parasites, just like tomatoes are fruit. The point is that the life of the fetus comes from the host, while offering no tangible benefits back. It doesn't usually harm the mother, but Napkiraly we can't go back to just shouting and not using scientific evidence to back up such a claim.

Fixed.

fair

[Medwedian Democratic Federation]

In my opinion, abortion should not be legal under any circumstances. Killing a foetus when a mother's life is in danger is the same as killing any person to spare the life of a dying person, which is inacceptable, except if the person to be killed (e.g. by donating a vital organ) gives full and voluntary consent, which unborn children naturally can not.

Life begins at the moment of conception. As such, any abortion or action resulting in the death of an unborn child is nothing less than MURDER and shall be punished accordingly by means of death both for the doctor performing the abortion and the mother ordering it.

[Claorica]

Because cancer is a malignant and ultimately deadly mass of cells which is, minus a small mutation, genetically identical to that of the sufferer.

an unborn child is not malignant, and genetically unique from the mother.

Tell that to Savita Halappanavar.

once case out of billions, that represents a very small fraction.

[Alvecia]

Just googling the definition I reckon it's easily defined as such, so I wonder where all the biologists are disagreeing. Is it the latter part, I wonder?

parasite
ˈparəsʌɪt/
noun
noun: parasite; plural noun: parasites

1.
an organism which lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the other's expense.

Parasites are 1) almost always an organism from another species that invades the body of an organism from a different species. 2) Parasites are near always detrimental to the health of the host. The only one I can think of that is not "that bad" is the tongue eating louse, and i) I reckon most people don't want to lose their tongues ii) iirc there are studies that show that fish infected with them are actually underweight so there you go. Fetuses are not from a different species and are not invasive as they come from within the body.

The relationship between a fetuses and its mother is closer to mutualism or commensalism.

Your use of "1) almost always" and "2) near always" indicates that being of different species and being detrimental to the health of the host are not strictly necessary to be defined as parasitic, so your conclusion doesn't logically follow that by failing these two criteria, the organism in question is necessarily not parasitic.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Killing a foetus when a mother's life is in danger is the same as killing any person to spare the life of a dying person,

Self defence is now premeditated murder. You heard it here first ladies and gents.

[Napkiraly]

Notice people who are upset about abortions will never protest to protect cancer.

Probably because 1) human beings are not born from cancer 2) cancer is inherently a negative to a human organism. The best you can get is "it's not that aggressive and you're most likely going to die from another cause before this thing becomes a worry".

[Claorica]

So anyone who ends a life should be executed. Got it.

anyone who unjustly and willfully ends a human life.

there is such a thing as justified homicide (self-defense, defense of others, etc.) and killings that are not homicide (Executions, Police defending others, soldiers defending others and themselves, and so on)

[The V O I D]

Not only no, but hell no. Women shouldn't be punished for having equal control over their bodies to everyone else.

Haven't read much of the thread, but based on the OP and title alone, this is just the most despicable thing I've ever fucking heard. This violates so many human rights and is just so plain wrong it loops around crazy and becomes downright deranged.

[Petrasylvania]

In my opinion, abortion should not be legal under any circumstances. Killing a foetus when a mother's life is in danger is the same as killing any person to spare the life of a dying person, which is inacceptable, except if the person to be killed (e.g. by donating a vital organ) gives full and voluntary consent, which unborn children naturally can not.

Life begins at the moment of conception. As such, any abortion or action resulting in the death of an unborn child is nothing less than MURDER and shall be punished accordingly by means of death both for the doctor performing the abortion and the mother ordering it.

So pregnancy should be a death sentence for some women in other words. And women who miscarry should be executed as well? That fedora has an Oddjob edge.

[Gospel Power]

Tell that to Savita Halappanavar.

once case out of billions, that represents a very small fraction.

I like your nation, but your signature is too much long, didn't you get a telegram from the mods asking you to make it shorter?

[Napkiraly]

Parasites are 1) almost always an organism from another species that invades the body of an organism from a different species. 2) Parasites are near always detrimental to the health of the host. The only one I can think of that is not "that bad" is the tongue eating louse, and i) I reckon most people don't want to lose their tongues ii) iirc there are studies that show that fish infected with them are actually underweight so there you go. Fetuses are not from a different species and are not invasive as they come from within the body.

The relationship between a fetuses and its mother is closer to mutualism or commensalism.

Your use of "1) almost always" and "2) near always" indicates that being of different species and being detrimental to the health of the host are not strictly necessary to be defined as parasitic, so your conclusion doesn't logically follow that by failing these two criteria, the organism in question is necessarily not parasitic.

Almost always because iirc there is one species of jellyfish that has intraspecies parasitism and some argue the sexual relationship of angler fish to also be parasitic, hence "almost always" as opposed to "always".

[Claorica]

In my opinion, abortion should not be legal under any circumstances. Killing a foetus when a mother's life is in danger is the same as killing any person to spare the life of a dying person, which is inacceptable, except if the person to be killed (e.g. by donating a vital organ) gives full and voluntary consent, which unborn children naturally can not.

Life begins at the moment of conception. As such, any abortion or action resulting in the death of an unborn child is nothing less than MURDER and shall be punished accordingly by means of death both for the doctor performing the abortion and the mother ordering it.

So pregnancy should be a death sentence for some women in other words. And women who miscarry should be executed as well? That fedora has an Oddjob edge.

A miscarriage is not the willful killing of the fetus.

[Medwedian Democratic Federation]

Killing a foetus when a mother's life is in danger is the same as killing any person to spare the life of a dying person,

Self defence is now premeditated murder. You heard it here first ladies and gents.

Abortion is certainly not self defence because the innocent foetus does not intend to kill or harm the mother.

[Claorica]

once case out of billions, that represents a very small fraction.

I like your nation, but your signature is too much long, didn't you get a telegram from the mods asking you to make it shorter?

No. I didn't.

Note the size of signature can be distorted by screen size and resolution, so that may be why it appears too long.

[Ifreann]

So you believe that legal abortion is a holocaust causing huge numbers of deaths and that the medics responsible are worse than the Nazis.

And now you tell us that you also believe that it is wrong to use violence to prevent these deaths.



So...do you think it was wrong to fight Hitler and stop the Holocaust?

I hold to the religious motive that, except in immediate defense (that is, someone who is immediately threatening or attempting to kill you or someone around you in a situation you did not intentionally instigate), violence against humans is the monopoly of the state and even then with some limitations like due process. So civil unrest and terrorism, especially threatening the lives of not just abortionists and their staffs but innocent bystanders, is bad.

That doesn't follow. If you believe that the unborn are innocent babies then attacking an abortion clinic would be violence in their immediate defence.

and I do think it was wrong to saturation bomb cities, threatening and ending the lives of tens of thousands (even hundreds of thousands) of civilians, was wrong, no matter the "ends."

Is that a yes?

[Petrasylvania]

Self defence is now premeditated murder. You heard it here first ladies and gents.

Abortion is certainly not self defence because the innocent foetus does not intend to kill or harm the mother.

So Savita Halappanavar Had It Coming And Got What She Deserved. Got It.

[Medwedian Democratic Federation]

So pregnancy should be a death sentence for some women in other words. And women who miscarry should be executed as well? That fedora has an Oddjob edge.

A miscarriage is not the willful killing of the fetus.

A miscarriage that is the result of wrongful or accidental actions of the mother is at least homicide. Immoral girls often self-inflict injuries leading to miscarriage.

Any actions that result in the death of a foetus are at least homicide.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Self defence is now premeditated murder. You heard it here first ladies and gents.

Abortion is certainly not self defence because the innocent foetus does not intend to kill or harm the mother.

If you attempt to ram me while highly intoxicated am I not allowed to defend myself by all means necessary just because you haven't got the legal competence or malice to make this actually murder?