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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Mon May 28, 2018 11:08 pm

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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Also, I'm guessing you want to force women to undergo childbirth. So, women should undergo 8 hours of some of the worst pain known to humans just because of a broken condom? Have you heard of the possible medical complications of childbirth such as vaginal tearing?

I have yes.

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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Also, I'm guessing you want to force women to undergo childbirth. So, women should undergo 8 hours of some of the worst pain known to humans just because of a broken condom? Have you heard of the possible medical complications of childbirth such as vaginal tearing?


And that's ignoring massive blood loss due to other issues, postpartum depression... all the more likely due to the less than stellar conditions, passed up economic opprotunities due to raising a child under outrageous expenses, as well as more psychological issues. Imagine a married man having to come to terms with having to raise a child that isn't his... or a single mother having to face the reality of raising a child on her own? Even giving up a child isn't going to be as nice and rosy as you paint it.

You speak in ideals, Cranborne, but I don't see you facing reality. How do you suggest a woman deals a baby by rape? How will the foster care system deal with said child? How will an abandoned child live with the fact that he was abandoned because he is unwanted? There will come a time when the kid still isn't adopted, and he will ask himself one question,

"Do they hate me?"

How do you suggest we deal with that?

That kid is in for a world of mental anguish that might just lead to him/her offing themselves. Cause ideally rarely is reality.

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Postby Tebuh » Mon May 28, 2018 11:08 pm

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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Mon May 28, 2018 11:12 pm

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Gospel Power wrote:Yes

But the Bible says you can kill unruly children. And fetuses kick their mothers.

The Bible actually has a section on how to perform abortions

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon May 28, 2018 11:13 pm

No. I support Abortion. In fact, I think there should more abortions, way more. We are overpopulated.

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Mon May 28, 2018 11:28 pm

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Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Just on a side note: Cranborne, did you really put "wealthy" in your signature?

I have, yes.

You do see how immensely tacky that is, right?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 28, 2018 11:39 pm

So women should be executed for trying to exercise control over their own bodies? This is quite possibly one of the most disturbingly misogynist things I've heard this week.
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Postby Gospel Power » Tue May 29, 2018 12:48 am

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Gospel Power wrote:Yes

But the Bible says you can kill unruly children. And fetuses kick their mothers.

That law is for the Jewish people, we have the New Testament
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 29, 2018 12:50 am

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Dogmeat wrote:But the Bible says you can kill unruly children. And fetuses kick their mothers.

That law is for the Jewish people, we have the New Testament


So why do fundies keep using the Old Testament to justify homophobia?
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Postby Gospel Power » Tue May 29, 2018 12:53 am

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Gospel Power wrote:That law is for the Jewish people, we have the New Testament


So why do fundies keep using the Old Testament to justify homophobia?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue May 29, 2018 12:56 am

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Dogmeat wrote:But the Bible says you can kill unruly children. And fetuses kick their mothers.

That law is for the Jewish people, we have the New Testament

So abortions were fine up until about 33 AD?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 29, 2018 12:58 am

Gospel Power wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So why do fundies keep using the Old Testament to justify homophobia?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"


So why do they never use that? Why is it always Leviticus?
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 29, 2018 1:00 am

Gospel Power wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So why do fundies keep using the Old Testament to justify homophobia?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"

And yet Fundies have no problem keeping idols and icons.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 29, 2018 1:02 am

New haven america wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"

And yet Fundies have no problem keeping idols and icons.

But Jesus wrote the Constitution so it can't possibly be idolatry to worship it. Everyone knows that.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue May 29, 2018 1:03 am

Gospel Power wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So why do fundies keep using the Old Testament to justify homophobia?

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"


The fundies revile homosexuality rather more than the other things on that list. Trump is a greedy, sexually immoral, adulterous swindler yet his base is allegedly full of fundies who wouldn't dream of voting for a homosexual candidate.
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Postby NeoOasis » Tue May 29, 2018 1:07 am

Gospel Power wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:But the Bible says you can kill unruly children. And fetuses kick their mothers.

That law is for the Jewish people, we have the New Testament


Dunno, bible I used has both new and old testaments. Also if old testament doesn't count, why do Christians keep referring back to the Commandments?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 29, 2018 1:07 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"


The fundies revile homosexuality rather more than the other things on that list. Trump is a greedy, sexually immoral, adulterous swindler yet his base is allegedly full of fundies who wouldn't dream of voting for a homosexual candidate.


And still say they would happily vote for him even knowing all those things about him.
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 29, 2018 1:09 am

NeoOasis wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:That law is for the Jewish people, we have the New Testament


Dunno, bible I used has both new and old testaments. Also if old testament doesn't count, why do Christians keep referring back to the Commandments?

Because people like to cherry-pick.
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Postby NeoOasis » Tue May 29, 2018 1:12 am

Vassenor wrote:
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The fundies revile homosexuality rather more than the other things on that list. Trump is a greedy, sexually immoral, adulterous swindler yet his base is allegedly full of fundies who wouldn't dream of voting for a homosexual candidate.


And still say they would happily vote for him even knowing all those things about him.


Well yes, that's because they follow the hidden part of that passage.

"... will inherit the kingdom of God, and don't get me started on those democrats. Literally anything but a democrat."

Also my questions still stand in regards to OP's almost delusional views on how to deal with unwanted pregnancies. I await a reply with nary a breath held.
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 29, 2018 1:13 am

Vassenor wrote:
New haven america wrote:And yet Fundies have no problem keeping idols and icons.

But Jesus wrote the Constitution so it can't possibly be idolatry to worship it. Everyone knows that.

Nope, no idols or icons, there is a line and it must be drawn here and now.
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Postby Johannes de Silentio » Tue May 29, 2018 1:21 am

Capital Punishment for Abortion? No.
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Postby NeoOasis » Tue May 29, 2018 1:31 am

New haven america wrote:
Vassenor wrote:But Jesus wrote the Constitution so it can't possibly be idolatry to worship it. Everyone knows that.

Nope, no idols or icons, there is a line and it must be drawn here and now.


Yes, but you know how permanent and absolute these lines in the sand are at high tide.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Tue May 29, 2018 1:33 am

Why are certain pro-lifers in favour of things that will certainly lead to death?

Take away safe abortion, women will opt for unsafe abortion (not "hundred to thousands", hundreds of thousands to millions). Women used to be arrested in the UK, tried and fined and jailed. Did it stop anything? No, because another mouth you can't feed is more frightening and bearing a baby as a result of rape is more horrendous than any sentence.

Currently, millions of women (56% of all abortions) have abortions that are unsafe, with 31,000 women dying each year.

Women already risk death to have a necessary abortion. And the OP really, really thinks that the death penalty will stop anything. :eyebrow:

A desperate woman will run any risk. And no emotional argument will make any difference.

And, who will turn her in? The doctor who performed it? Her family, who helped her find the doctor? The hospital she goes to when she's running a fever (the same ones who used to pass off every abortion as a natural miscarriage or anything other than abortion where it could possibly be contested)? The neighbours (who often knew who the abortionist was, and kept quiet, in case they ever needed her)?

This dystopian fantasy could never work. And thank God for that.
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Postby Eglaecia » Tue May 29, 2018 1:37 am

Not the worst idea I've heard of. It should only apply to those who abort for socioeconomic reasons though.
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Postby New haven america » Tue May 29, 2018 1:41 am

The Free Joy State wrote:Why are certain pro-lifers in favour of things that will certainly lead to death?

Because they view unborn life as more important than life that already exists and don't believe humans should be messing with "God's Plan." His unknowable and increadibly vague "Plan" for us all...
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Postby Goldgamia » Tue May 29, 2018 1:44 am

nope, maybe arrest if it's not in the specific circumstances like rape but still capital punishment for that is like someone on death row for attempted suicide, you get the point
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