Capital Punishment for Abortion? Yes.

[Napkiraly]

Inherently detrimental to the host in some capacity, and actually far more constrained according to some textbooks than I even I thought (limiting it between two different species). https://books.google.ca/books?dq=Cheng,+T.C.,+General+Parasitology,+p.+7,+1973&hl=en&id=d4GQlYzode8C&lr=&oi=fnd&ots=l6EmR3PEvV&pg=PP1&sig=wr-51nFxVEYVcWvVnLhfGq8jVls&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Cheng%2C%20T.C.%2C%20General%20Parasitology%2C%20p.%207%2C%201973&f=false Page 2 offers the rough, generalized definition.

The only criteria of note that I can find it violates is that of heterospecific organisms (different species), which:
1) you've already provided an example of a parasite that violates said criteria
2) this book points out these definitions are not universal, but rather "brief", "general", and "often" (not always) used.

Yes, the one outlier whose criteria is actually debatable because of heterospecific preferred definitions but is used as an example as a possibility. Not to mention once again that the relationship is closer to that of mutualism or commensalism between the mother and the fetus. Who would have thunk that there are more than one type of symbiotic or symbiotic like relationships other than parasitism. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Napkiraly]

And I'm trying to illustrate that calling them parasites is not helpful (for those pushing the pro-choice arguments) and not accurate according to a lot of biologists.

I dunno, guys, like ya know don't use that terminology? Whowouldathunk that it's a good idea to not shackle your own end.

It is one step away from parasitism, by definition:

Merriam-Webster: an organism living in, with, or on another organism in parasitism...

The fetus is an organism living in another organism and parasitizing by stealing her bodily space, resources, etc. for its own benefit while causing likely permanent bodily changes to the host, causing a risk of death should any complications arise, and using the host as a waste disposal mechanism by pumping her full of its waste.

It is, in function, a parasite. The fact they are of the same species is irrelevant.

I know you've always hated science VOID, what with your psychopathic views in the transhumanism debate and all but really reaching as low as using Merriam-Webster?

[The V O I D]

Literally, at most, none of that happens. What sources do you have?

I'll give you a hint: if they are a pro-life source or lean pro-life or are otherwise conservative, they are likely biased and lying, or just plain lying for the sake of anti-abortion propaganda.

I could say the same about most pro-choice or left wing sources.

Except, aside from cases where there are radical views involved, the pro-choice/left wing sources tend towards actual honesty about the situation rather than needing to outright lie to get what they want.

But I don't rely on left wing sources anyway. I try to find as close to a non-partisan source as possible and read both sides of the story. I call out bullshit where I see it on both sides. Violating a woman's rights is bullshit, and so anything that can lead to people supporting that is also bullshit 99% of the time.

[Ifreann]

So a victim of a rape or incest should be forced to carry the child to term?

Not that incest implies anyone being a victim. It's still an abomination though.

This is anti-Targaryen bigotry.

[Yseltna Dunya Private Isles]

So I deserve capital punishment because I'm just doing my damn job, thank you.

[The V O I D]

It is one step away from parasitism, by definition:



The fetus is an organism living in another organism and parasitizing by stealing her bodily space, resources, etc. for its own benefit while causing likely permanent bodily changes to the host, causing a risk of death should any complications arise, and using the host as a waste disposal mechanism by pumping her full of its waste.

It is, in function, a parasite. The fact they are of the same species is irrelevant.

I know you've always hated science VOID, what with your psychopathic views in the transhumanism debate and all but really reaching as low as using Merriam-Webster?

I don't hate science. Where the everloving fuck did you get that idea? Science is great.

It'll solve all these issues, someday. Artificial wombs, when they are viable, for instance. Since abortion would then mean taking a fetus and transplanting it into an artificial womb before putting it into adoption upon becoming a baby, there'd be no need for the pro-life movement anymore and all will be well since the fetus lives and the woman gets to use her body as she sees fit.

[Bienenhalde]

Because rape needs to involve family planning.

Women don't need to walk alone in the darkness, men need to protect women

If a woman is raped, it seems to me that the rapist ought to be held accountable for any possible abortion. This is one reason why we need harsher penalties for rape, perhaps even the possibility of execution.

[Claorica]

So I deserve capital punishment because I'm just doing my damn job, thank you.

So Elisabeth Volkenrath deserved capital punishment because she was just doing her damn job, thank you.

[Greater Arab State]

I respectfully disagree with that sir/ma'am on the founds that the pro life community values the potential of human life and wishes to benefit society. Sorry about this.

So how does abolishing bodily sovereignty benefit society?

Abolishing abortion benefits society through allowing future generations to live and therefore make contributions to the rest of society.

[New Greater Netherlands]

In my opinion abortion is child murder and i think it should be illegal and the person who wants to basically kill her unborn baby that she should be put in jail

So a victim of a rape or incest should be forced to carry the child to term?

If the child is born they can place it for adoption or let one of her family members take care of the child. So she shouldn't kill it if it's not born yet

[Vassenor]

So how does abolishing bodily sovereignty benefit society?

Abolishing abortion benefits society through allowing future generations to live and therefore make contributions to the rest of society.

Abortion is not going to cause the extinction of the human species.

[The V O I D]

So how does abolishing bodily sovereignty benefit society?

Abolishing abortion benefits society through allowing future generations to live and therefore make contributions to the rest of society.

You're assuming every single woman doesn't want to be pregnant and/or wants to be pregnant but just gets an abortion for no reason. Neither is the case, I'm afraid. A woman has control over her body regardless of your desires.

Abortion does not affect society in a meaningful way with regards to population. By and large, without legal abortion, all that happens is the same number of abortions per year coincidentally lines up with a significant portion of women dying per year as they resort to back-alleys and DIYs. Pointless death, but it'll happen since you can't remove free will and bodily sovereignty. All you can do is make it less safe to act out on it - which, trust me, is not a deterrent whatsoever in most cases.

[Sovaal]

NSG summer hit hard this year.

No.

[San Lumen]

So a victim of a rape or incest should be forced to carry the child to term?

If the child is born they can place it for adoption or let one of her family members take care of the child. So she shouldn't kill it if it's not born yet

That is such a arrogant statement it’s almost scary.

[Salandriagado]

At a certain point in development, an embryo is human enough already. That is to say, it has a right to life just like everyone else does. Abortion at that point should only be permitted in certain circumstances, such as incest, rape or danger to the mother's life. A jail sentence would be appropriate for crimes in this regard.

You realise that late-term abortions happen essentially only when the choice is between that and both the mother and foetus dying, right?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Capital punishment for anything shouldn't be done.

[Salandriagado]

So how does abolishing bodily sovereignty benefit society?

Abolishing abortion benefits society through allowing future generations to live and therefore make contributions to the rest of society.

Higher populations are not inherently beneficial to society. In particular, higher populations of generally poorly-raised children born to generally poor, ill-prepared (often single) parents who don't want them are rather the opposite.

[Shazbotdom]

Has anyone noticed that most of the Nations agreeing with this ridiculous idea have like 5 posts and we're founded within the last month?


O Glorious NSSummer

[Bienenhalde]

What then do you say to laws (which pro-choicers hate) that require an abortionist to attempt to save a child which, through chance, survives an abortion?

Can we divert medical resources towards goals actually useful to humanity?

So basically we should ignore the human dignity of the weakest and most vulnerable people in society because they are not "useful"?

[Western-Ukraine]

At a certain point in development, an embryo is human enough already. That is to say, it has a right to life just like everyone else does. Abortion at that point should only be permitted in certain circumstances, such as incest, rape or danger to the mother's life. A jail sentence would be appropriate for crimes in this regard.

You realise that late-term abortions happen essentially only when the choice is between that and both the mother and foetus dying, right?

If so, then it's all the better. That's a perfectly appropriate reason for abortion.

[The V O I D]

You realise that late-term abortions happen essentially only when the choice is between that and both the mother and foetus dying, right?

If so, then it's all the better. That's a perfectly appropriate reason for abortion.

What are your views on abortion in terms of viable fetuses? As in, if the fetus is viable, it is removed and remanded to ICU care and then eventually shifted out into the adoptive care system because the woman changed her mind about becoming a mother?

Do you think that ought to be allowed or not? Just curious.

I'm assuming you agree with pre-viability abortion at the very least, since viability/post-viability abortion seems to be where a fetus becomes "human enough" under your view.

[Bienenhalde]

Abolishing abortion benefits society through allowing future generations to live and therefore make contributions to the rest of society.

Higher populations are not inherently beneficial to society. In particular, higher populations of generally poorly-raised children born to generally poor, ill-prepared (often single) parents who don't want them are rather the opposite.

Population is really irrelevant. Population growth can be prevented through contraception, condoms, sterilization, or abstinence. The real issue is defending the human dignity of our society's weakest and most vulnerable members.

[Salandriagado]

Higher populations are not inherently beneficial to society. In particular, higher populations of generally poorly-raised children born to generally poor, ill-prepared (often single) parents who don't want them are rather the opposite.

Population is really irrelevant. Population growth can be prevented through contraception, condoms, sterilization, or abstinence. The real issue is defending the human dignity of our society's weakest and most vulnerable members.

No human has the right to use another human's body against their will. Not having been born yet does not change that.

[New Greater Netherlands]

If the child is born they can place it for adoption or let one of her family members take care of the child. So she shouldn't kill it if it's not born yet

That is such a arrogant statement it’s almost scary.

How is it arrogant? It's a fact

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Can we divert medical resources towards goals actually useful to humanity?

So basically we should ignore the human dignity of the weakest and most vulnerable people in society because they are not "useful"?

What medical benefits could we possibly derive from researching means to "normalise" the "life" of ancephalic fetuses?