Capital Punishment for Abortion? Yes.

[Dominara]

The troll energy generated here could power a small town.

Better power source than oil.

A very astute statement. Congratulations, good sir.

[Eglaecia]

The troll energy generated here could power a small town.

And the energy generated from the pointless statements you make that contribute nothing to the discussion could power a small city.

[Petrasylvania]

The troll energy generated here could power a small town.

And the energy generated from the pointless statements you make that contribute nothing to the discussion could power a small city.

Discussion? You mean calling for the summary execution of anyone performing an abortion and relying on guilt trip emotional appeals is a valid opinion that must be argued down and not a summertime masterpiece?

[Matthewstownville]

Over the weekend, I whilst still pondering the issue in my last thread and how to better refine my proposal I was also thinking on some of the best ways on how to judge and punish those that seek out abortions and perform them. I came to the conclusion that since abortion is ending life, both the person getting the abortion and the abortionist should naturally be punished like others who unjustly take away human life - capital punishment. Now, of course some could at least understand punishing the abortionist in such a manner, even if they disagree, but the mother? Surely not?! But yes, in fact more so than that of the abortionist, for it is the expectant mother who is the ultimate cause of each case of abortion being conducted, though both deserve the same punishment. Of course, in many countries in the West we would have to criminalize abortion once again, hopefully sooner rather than later. However in other parts of the world I have been in contact with anti-murder activists on this subject and they are slowly but surely gaining more traction to enact such punishments. They will be ahead of us in the near future hopefully and act as a beacon of sorts for those of us here in the West.

You may be wondering if there are any instances in which abortion can be allowed: yes. If the mother's life is in danger and the child is unlikely to survive and continuing it to term will gravely endanger the mother, who is young and/or has few if any children of her own already, then it should be allowed much as we make difficult and unfortunate decisions with triage patients. C'est la vie. But those are the only instances in which it can be carried out.

Naturally, other measures should be put in place to discourage abortion from taking place to begin with: proper sex education, easy access to birth control, more efficient and less abusive foster and adoption services, welfare to take care of expectant mothers who are struggling, etc. But this punishment should still be in place for those who go through with this great evil, even after society making much accommodation for them.

Anyway, enough rambling for this is just a very long way in stating that I believe we should treat those who seek and give abortions the same as we would other murderers.

What do you all think?


P.S. Moderators, feel free to merge this with the other abortion thread if you deem it appropriate.

Wow...

Are you OK? I think you may need to see a councillor or psychiatrist... lol..

[Napkiraly]

And the energy generated from the pointless statements you make that contribute nothing to the discussion could power a small city.

Discussion? You mean calling for the summary execution of anyone performing an abortion and relying on guilt trip emotional appeals is a valid opinion that must be argued down and not a summertime masterpiece?

Nowhere does the OP talk about summary execution lmao.

Fuck me, I don't agree with the guy but he stated in the OP the need to criminalize abortion again and then moving towards enacting laws to apply the death penalty to violations of the law.

[Petrasylvania]

Discussion? You mean calling for the summary execution of anyone performing an abortion and relying on guilt trip emotional appeals is a valid opinion that must be argued down and not a summertime masterpiece?

Nowhere does the OP talk about summary execution lmao.

Fuck me, I don't agree with the guy but he stated in the OP the need to criminalize abortion again and then moving towards enacting laws to apply the death penalty to violations of the law.

Execution for abortion is okay because it's not summary? Even better.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

This I agree with. The penalty for both the mother who kills her child and the doctor who does it should be the same as 1st Degree murder. Which in many places is death, but not everywhere.

And I think an eminent individual who was caught in flagrante delicto with posting "The ten year old is not completely innocent" in a tangential discussion re paedophiles has no say whatsoever in matters related to morality. But *shrug*

[The Holy Therns]

Let's go even further. Capital punishment for rejecting the wink from the postman.

[The Serbian Empire]

No, I'm full against this. I'd suggest capital punishment should be restricted to spree shooters and serial killers.

[West Leas Oros]

No, I'm full against this. I'd suggest capital punishment should be restricted to spree shooters and serial killers.

Even then I’d disagree. Capital punishment is generally wrong.

[DPR of Arstotzka]

No. Are you crazy? There's nothing wrong with abortion. And even if I was against it, the death penalty is reserved for murderers and sociopaths, not for people who don't want to get pregnant.

[Vassenor]

No, I'm full against this. I'd suggest capital punishment should be restricted to spree shooters and serial killers.

Even then I’d disagree. Capital punishment is generally wrong.

This. Capital punishment just generally does not work by any metric. It's obviously not rehabilitative, and it doesn't do a whole lot to deter others.

[Uxupox]

No, I'm full against this. I'd suggest capital punishment should be restricted to spree shooters and serial killers.

Should include rapists as well into that metric.

[DPR of Arstotzka]

No, I'm full against this. I'd suggest capital punishment should be restricted to spree shooters and serial killers.

Should include rapists as well into that metric.

Unless they can be rehabilitated, imo. If a rapist can be rehabilitated then they don't deserve to be killed.

[Petrasylvania]

Should include rapists as well into that metric.

Unless they can be rehabilitated, imo. If a rapist can be rehabilitated then they don't deserve to be killed.

Plus making rape a capital crime just increases the murder rate as rapists kill their victims to quiet a witness.

[Crockerland]

No, I'm full against this. I'd suggest capital punishment should be restricted to spree shooters and serial killers.

Should include rapists as well into that metric.

Rapists, the violent & pedo ones at least, deserve to die, no question, but giving them what they deserve will result in them kidnapping and/or murdering their victims to cover up their crimes, an inherent problem with inflicting capital punishment on any criminal who hasn't already killed at least one person.

[Nationalsozialistisches Reich Germania]

Unable to decide whether to go get popcorn or loose all little faith in humanity i had left and discuss with myself If suicide or "humanitycide" is to be preferred...

[Godular]

Children are born. Fetuses are not. Thus, abortion is very clearly not child murder.

A fetus is a human being

A human being using another person’s body. If said other person does not consent to this, it is one of the most fundamental violations imaginable.

[Crysuko]

Children are born. Fetuses are not. Thus, abortion is very clearly not child murder.

A fetus is a human being

Press X to doubt. Depending on the development stage (let's say within the first few months) it has little definite shape, no heartbeat, no brain and definitely no conciousness. Doesn't sound very human to me.

[The Imperial Russian Federation]

A fetus is a human being

Press X to doubt. Depending on the development stage (let's say within the first few months) it has little definite shape, no heartbeat, no brain and definitely no conciousness. Doesn't sound very human to me.

Plus, most fetuses are little assholes.

Literally.

[Crysuko]

Press X to doubt. Depending on the development stage (let's say within the first few months) it has little definite shape, no heartbeat, no brain and definitely no conciousness. Doesn't sound very human to me.

Plus, most fetuses are little assholes.

Literally.

wot?

[Vassenor]

Plus, most fetuses are little assholes.

Literally.

wot?

Fetuses apparently develop anus first.

[Godular]

wot?

Fetuses apparently develop anus first.

Gives whole new meaning to building from the bottom up.

[Geneviev]

A fetus is a human being

Press X to doubt. Depending on the development stage (let's say within the first few months) it has little definite shape, no heartbeat, no brain and definitely no conciousness. Doesn't sound very human to me.

It is not human yet at that stage, but it is a potential human and that makes it a valuable life.

When it develops the ability to feel pain and has a detectable heartbeat, it is human.

[Hurdergaryp]

Fetuses apparently develop anus first.

Gives whole new meaning to building from the bottom up.

No need to get anal about it, though.