Capital Punishment for Abortion? Yes.

[Cranborne]

Over the weekend, I whilst still pondering the issue in my last thread and how to better refine my proposal I was also thinking on some of the best ways on how to judge and punish those that seek out abortions and perform them. I came to the conclusion that since abortion is ending life, both the person getting the abortion and the abortionist should naturally be punished like others who unjustly take away human life - capital punishment. Now, of course some could at least understand punishing the abortionist in such a manner, even if they disagree, but the mother? Surely not?! But yes, in fact more so than that of the abortionist, for it is the expectant mother who is the ultimate cause of each case of abortion being conducted, though both deserve the same punishment. Of course, in many countries in the West we would have to criminalize abortion once again, hopefully sooner rather than later. However in other parts of the world I have been in contact with anti-murder activists on this subject and they are slowly but surely gaining more traction to enact such punishments. They will be ahead of us in the near future hopefully and act as a beacon of sorts for those of us here in the West.

You may be wondering if there are any instances in which abortion can be allowed: yes. If the mother's life is in danger and the child is unlikely to survive and continuing it to term will gravely endanger the mother, who is young and/or has few if any children of her own already, then it should be allowed much as we make difficult and unfortunate decisions with triage patients. C'est la vie. But those are the only instances in which it can be carried out.

Naturally, other measures should be put in place to discourage abortion from taking place to begin with: proper sex education, easy access to birth control, more efficient and less abusive foster and adoption services, welfare to take care of expectant mothers who are struggling, etc. But this punishment should still be in place for those who go through with this great evil, even after society making much accommodation for them.

Anyway, enough rambling for this is just a very long way in stating that I believe we should treat those who seek and give abortions the same as we would other murderers.

What do you all think?


P.S. Moderators, feel free to merge this with the other abortion thread if you deem it appropriate.

[Sicaris]

flame incoming, get ready to call the fire department.

[Cranborne]

flame incoming, get ready to call the fire department.

Pardon?

[Geneviev]

Although I disagree with abortion, this seems very extreme. Capital punishment doesn't even exist in quite a few places, and where it does exist not even all murderers are killed. Instead of adding 652,639 more people (the amount of abortions in 2014) to death row, there should be a better solution. Instead of criminalizing abortion, the government should take proper action to make abortions occur less frequently and allow them when the the child won't survive, especially if the mother's life is at risk. As you said, sex education, birth control, and better welfare would also help. Those would also be far better solutions than considering abortion a murder.

[Cekoviu]

No. Just no.

[Steelers0525]

flame incoming, get ready to call the fire department.

Pardon?

A lot of other people will strongly disagree with this statement is all he is saying

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I am all for capital punishment for these kinds of threads. Yes.

[North Prarie]

No. Just no.

^ yeah, this.
A woman shouldn't be EXECUTED for having a choice over her body.

[Cranborne]

Although I disagree with abortion, this seems very extreme. Capital punishment doesn't even exist in quite a few places, and where it does exist not even all murderers are killed. Instead of adding 652,639 more people (the amount of abortions in 2014) to death row, there should be a better solution. Instead of criminalizing abortion, the government should take proper action to make abortions occur less frequently and allow them when the the child won't survive, especially if the mother's life is at risk. As you said, sex education, birth control, and better welfare would also help. Those would also be far better solutions than considering abortion a murder.

I agree that other measures should take precedence, but with those in place there would not be over 650 000 people on death row, but only a few hundred to thousand. Still unfortunate but murderers, according to my moral views, should not be allowed to live. Much as I think that the causes of gang violence should be tackled through poverty reduction, better community policing, cultural changes in the communities, etc doesn't mean that those that persist and go on to murder others should be let off. I have the same mind for abortion, treat it with kindness and only bring about harsh measures for those who persist in engaging in such despicable ways even after much has been done to veer them away from it.

[Sicaris]

No. Just no.

^ yeah, this.
A woman shouldn't be EXECUTED for having a choice over her body.

Remember she shares the body with an unborn child though, whom is murdered in the event of an abortion. However, this doesn't mean she should die for it (Jail, maybe.). The social changes suggested by the OP? Yes, those should be implemented.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No.

[Bakery Hill]

You're going to have to kill a lot of women then.

[Sicaris]

Although I disagree with abortion, this seems very extreme. Capital punishment doesn't even exist in quite a few places, and where it does exist not even all murderers are killed. Instead of adding 652,639 more people (the amount of abortions in 2014) to death row, there should be a better solution. Instead of criminalizing abortion, the government should take proper action to make abortions occur less frequently and allow them when the the child won't survive, especially if the mother's life is at risk. As you said, sex education, birth control, and better welfare would also help. Those would also be far better solutions than considering abortion a murder.

I agree that other measures should take precedence, but with those in place there would not be over 650 000 people on death row, but only a few hundred to thousand. Still unfortunate but murderers, according to my moral views, should not be allowed to live. Much as I think that the causes of gang violence should be tackled through poverty reduction, better community policing, cultural changes in the communities, etc doesn't mean that those that persist and go on to murder others should be let off. I have the same mind for abortion, treat it with kindness and only bring about harsh measures for those who persist in engaging in such despicable ways even after much has been done to veer them away from it.

By persistence do you mean repeated abortion without danger to the mother/child? If so, I can somewhat see your point but capital punishment shouldn't be there. Lengthy jail sentences, maybe.

[RiderSyl]

No.

Good clickbait though, 10/10.

[Cekoviu]

^ yeah, this.
A woman shouldn't be EXECUTED for having a choice over her body.

Remember she shares the body with an unborn child though, whom is murdered in the event of an abortion. However, this doesn't mean she should die for it (Jail, maybe.). The social changes suggested by the OP? Yes, those should be implemented.

Nope, not jail either.

[Cranborne]

You're going to have to kill a lot of women then.

Many abortionists are men.

Regardless, hopefully it would not be too high and if in the first few years there are many the aim would be to reduce that number over the following years through proactive means.

[Cedoria]

This is... One of the silliest things I've seen suggested for a long time.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

^ yeah, this.
A woman shouldn't be EXECUTED for having a choice over her body.

Remember she shares the body with an unborn child though, whom is murdered in the event of an abortion. However, this doesn't mean she should die for it (Jail, maybe.). The social changes suggested by the OP? Yes, those should be implemented.

No, it is a matter of choice and bodily sovereignty. You should not be jailed for that. Also infanticide is one thing we already prosecute. A fetus =/= infant. The social changes we need are for self righteous asshats to not meddle in the medical decisions of adults.

[Geneviev]

Although I disagree with abortion, this seems very extreme. Capital punishment doesn't even exist in quite a few places, and where it does exist not even all murderers are killed. Instead of adding 652,639 more people (the amount of abortions in 2014) to death row, there should be a better solution. Instead of criminalizing abortion, the government should take proper action to make abortions occur less frequently and allow them when the the child won't survive, especially if the mother's life is at risk. As you said, sex education, birth control, and better welfare would also help. Those would also be far better solutions than considering abortion a murder.

I agree that other measures should take precedence, but with those in place there would not be over 650 000 people on death row, but only a few hundred to thousand. Still unfortunate but murderers, according to my moral views, should not be allowed to live. Much as I think that the causes of gang violence should be tackled through poverty reduction, better community policing, cultural changes in the communities, etc doesn't mean that those that persist and go on to murder others should be let off. I have the same mind for abortion, treat it with kindness and only bring about harsh measures for those who persist in engaging in such despicable ways even after much has been done to veer them away from it.

It is more than unfortunate. Sometimes, as horrible as that can be, abortions are necessary. If the mother and the child would both die if the pregnancy is not terminated, the mother should not be considered a murderer. It can be considered self-defense at that point and should be legal. Even otherwise, capital punishment is too extreme. It would be unreasonably expensive as well. Perhaps she should be fined or perhaps jail, but no more extreme than that.

[Cedoria]

Remember she shares the body with an unborn child though, whom is murdered in the event of an abortion. However, this doesn't mean she should die for it (Jail, maybe.). The social changes suggested by the OP? Yes, those should be implemented.

No, it is a matter of choice and bodily sovereignty. You should not be jailed for that. Also infanticide is one thing we already prosecute. A fetus =/= infant. The social changes we need are for self righteous asshats to not meddle in the medical decisions of adults.

This.


People shouldn't be executed for making decisions that a bunch of religious fanatics find objectionable.

[MERIZoC]

Hey, props for being honest. This is the logical conclusion of most anti-abortionists' beliefs.

[Sicaris]

Remember she shares the body with an unborn child though, whom is murdered in the event of an abortion. However, this doesn't mean she should die for it (Jail, maybe.). The social changes suggested by the OP? Yes, those should be implemented.

Nope, not jail either.

Why? Can you structure an argument other than simply "lolno"? Abortion is the act of murdering an unborn child. You do not become a human being upon exit from the womb.

[Cekoviu]

You're going to have to kill a lot of women then.

Many abortionists are men.

Regardless, hopefully it would not be too high and if in the first few years there are many the aim would be to reduce that number over the following years through proactive means.

...if somebody gets an abortion, that would imply that they're pregnant, which is something that the vast majority of men cannot do

[RiderSyl]

You're going to have to kill a lot of women then.

Many abortionists are men.

[citation needed]

[Cedoria]

Nope, not jail either.

Why? Can you structure an argument other than simply "lolno"? Abortion is the act of murdering an unborn child. You do not become a human being upon exit from the womb.

That's debatable.