On The Distribution of Spouses

[Geneviev]

Only people who are asexual can opt out. And then they can't marry at all.

Okay. I'm asexual. Done. But how does the government know that to be true or not?

The government doesn't know. But if you're lying about being asexual, then you still can't marry.

[Hurdergaryp]

Okay. I'm asexual. Done. But how does the government know that to be true or not?

The government doesn't know. But if you're lying about being asexual, then you still can't marry.

You have been disqualified as breeding stock in that hypothetical scenario.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I think you're confusing thinking people want to get married earlier than they do because of economic problems with supporting the system in the OP.

You seem to support arranged marriage, which is what the OP is talking about.
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You endorse government matchmaking (though with right of refusal)
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because it's too hard to find a spouse on one's own
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You endorse encouraging people to marry in the twenties when current conditions counterindicate this.
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Your reason: because we used to.
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Your statement that not getting married young is dehumanizing because you have to put off something you want:
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So forgive me if you seem to be generally in agreement with the OP.

Online dating services that people opt into to find mates seem to be just fine. No government involvement necessary.

Arranged marriage =/= random forced marriage by lottery

Also I explicitly said that arranged marriage should only be done if they have the ability to refuse the match. And, no, the OP is not talking about arranged marriage, he explicitly made a distinction between what he's proposing and arranged marriage.

[Scomagia]

If you can't get a mate on your own, why should we appoint one to you? So your poor little feelings don't get hurt? Fuck that noise. Buck up and compete. If you fail to get a partner, tough shit. Life is full of losers in all areas. Sublimate your failure into success in another endeavor, like art. Don't bitch and moan about your inadequacy and don't demand that the world reshape itself to make you successful.

[Thama]

I'm afraid the only way to express me true and genuine feelings on this topic are against the rules of the website and would quickly be flagged as flaming, because I have absolutely nothing civil to say to you about your hilariously disastrous, idiotic, and completely illogical proposition.

Just no.


EDIT: wait, no, my mang above put it well:

If you can't get a mate on your own, why should we appoint one to you? So your poor little feelings don't get hurt? Fuck that noise. Buck up and compete. If you fail to get a partner, tough shit. Life is full of losers in all areas. Sublimate your failure into success in another endeavor, like art. Don't bitch and moan about your inadequacy and don't demand that the world reshape itself to make you successful.

[United Muscovite Nations]

If you can't get a mate on your own, why should we appoint one to you? So your poor little feelings don't get hurt? Fuck that noise. Buck up and compete. If you fail to get a partner, tough shit. Life is full of losers in all areas. Sublimate your failure into success in another endeavor, like art. Don't bitch and moan about your inadequacy and don't demand that the world reshape itself to make you successful.

Yeah fuck people whose lives are bad.

[Thama]

If you can't get a mate on your own, why should we appoint one to you? So your poor little feelings don't get hurt? Fuck that noise. Buck up and compete. If you fail to get a partner, tough shit. Life is full of losers in all areas. Sublimate your failure into success in another endeavor, like art. Don't bitch and moan about your inadequacy and don't demand that the world reshape itself to make you successful.

Yeah fuck people whose lives are bad.

If you can't get a mate it's likely it's your own goddamn fault. Abusive, self-entitled pissbabies don't deserve to be randomly assigned victims.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Yeah fuck people whose lives are bad.

If you can't get a mate it's likely it's your own goddamn fault. Abusive, self-entitled pissbabies don't deserve to be randomly assigned victims.

Yeah I'm sure it never has anything to do with mental illness or just a plain bad draw of the genetic lottery. Everyone who can't get a spouse is evil and deserves it. Just like the poor.

[Kvatchdom]

If you can't get a mate it's likely it's your own goddamn fault. Abusive, self-entitled pissbabies don't deserve to be randomly assigned victims.

Yeah I'm sure it never has anything to do with mental illness or just a plain bad draw of the genetic lottery. Everyone who can't get a spouse is evil and deserves it. Just like the poor.

They're either unlucky, lack social skills, are shitheads or just simply don't fit on their crushes' mold of what they want in a partner. It is not, however, the fault of the people who aren't dating them. Claiming so would make one a weirdo and is a pretty good indication as to why they haven't been able to get into a relationship.

[Baltenstein]

If you can't get a mate it's likely it's your own goddamn fault. Abusive, self-entitled pissbabies don't deserve to be randomly assigned victims.

Yeah I'm sure it never has anything to do with mental illness or just a plain bad draw of the genetic lottery. Everyone who can't get a spouse is evil and deserves it.

You're looking at it the wrong way around. Nobody deserves being with a person they do not want to be with.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Does anyone who supports this lottery actually understand the emotional component of relationships/marriage?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Yeah I'm sure it never has anything to do with mental illness or just a plain bad draw of the genetic lottery. Everyone who can't get a spouse is evil and deserves it. Just like the poor.

They're either unlucky, lack social skills, are shitheads or just simply don't fit on their crushes' mold of what they want in a partner. It is not, however, the fault of the people who aren't dating them. Claiming so would make one a weirdo and is a pretty good indication as to why they haven't been able to get into a relationship.

It could be down to any number of things, including mental illness, or, as I said, just plain bad luck in the genetic lottery (being ugly). That doesn't mean they deserve to be mocked and blamed for not being able to find a partner.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

They're either unlucky, lack social skills, are shitheads or just simply don't fit on their crushes' mold of what they want in a partner. It is not, however, the fault of the people who aren't dating them. Claiming so would make one a weirdo and is a pretty good indication as to why they haven't been able to get into a relationship.

It could be down to any number of things, including mental illness, or, as I said, just plain bad luck in the genetic lottery (being ugly). That doesn't mean they deserve to be mocked and blamed for not being able to find a partner.

If their solution is to try to force people into a system like this, then yeah. They do deserve to be mocked.

[Costa Fierro]

Once again, NSG misses the point. Y'all are on a roll.

[Vassenor]

Once again, NSG misses the point. Y'all are on a roll.

So why don't you explain what the point was then?

[Geneviev]

Once again, NSG misses the point. Y'all are on a roll.

Depending if you think the point is about incels, arranged marriage, government control, or the fact that no one wins in a lottery, NSG isn't that far off.

[Internationalist Bastard]

They're either unlucky, lack social skills, are shitheads or just simply don't fit on their crushes' mold of what they want in a partner. It is not, however, the fault of the people who aren't dating them. Claiming so would make one a weirdo and is a pretty good indication as to why they haven't been able to get into a relationship.

It could be down to any number of things, including mental illness, or, as I said, just plain bad luck in the genetic lottery (being ugly). That doesn't mean they deserve to be mocked and blamed for not being able to find a partner.

Mental illness is a genuine problem. But I’m gonna be honest. I have depression and social anxiety. I’ve had a lot of sex and I’m happily married. Depression is still there. Pinning the problem so heavily on not having romantic partners is just a disservice to everyone

[United Muscovite Nations]

It could be down to any number of things, including mental illness, or, as I said, just plain bad luck in the genetic lottery (being ugly). That doesn't mean they deserve to be mocked and blamed for not being able to find a partner.

Mental illness is a genuine problem. But I’m gonna be honest. I have depression and social anxiety. I’ve had a lot of sex and I’m happily married. Depression is still there. Pinning the problem so heavily on not having romantic partners is just a disservice to everyone

Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder are a different beast from severe mental illnesses like Schizophrenia, severe OCD, and others that dramatically impact basic activities.

[Costa Fierro]

Once again, NSG misses the point. Y'all are on a roll.

So why don't you explain what the point was then?

The point is that men who don't have or get partners due to circumstances beyond their control, or even in their control, don't deserve ridicule. How is that not obvious?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Mental illness is a genuine problem. But I’m gonna be honest. I have depression and social anxiety. I’ve had a lot of sex and I’m happily married. Depression is still there. Pinning the problem so heavily on not having romantic partners is just a disservice to everyone

Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder are a different beast from severe mental illnesses like Schizophrenia, severe OCD, and others that dramatically impact basic activities.

I’m also schizophrenic and have OCD. I’m also an alcoholic though I haven’t been on that for a while

[Geneviev]

Mental illness is a genuine problem. But I’m gonna be honest. I have depression and social anxiety. I’ve had a lot of sex and I’m happily married. Depression is still there. Pinning the problem so heavily on not having romantic partners is just a disservice to everyone

Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder are a different beast from severe mental illnesses like Schizophrenia, severe OCD, and others that dramatically impact basic activities.

Schizophrenia and OCD shouldn't be in the same group. That's like saying ADHD is more like DID than like Tourette's. Not that I'm really sensitive about that or anything.

Anyways, I don't think anyone is mocked or blamed for not having a partner because of mental illness. Not that I've seen, anyways.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So why don't you explain what the point was then?

The point is that men who don't have or get partners due to circumstances beyond their control, or even in their control, don't deserve ridicule. How is that not obvious?

They don’t
People who demand people marry them do.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder are a different beast from severe mental illnesses like Schizophrenia, severe OCD, and others that dramatically impact basic activities.

I’m also schizophrenic and have OCD. I’m also an alcoholic though I haven’t been on that for a while

Then I don't know how you do it tbh. I would say your experience is certainly not typical.

Depression and Social Anxiety Disorder are a different beast from severe mental illnesses like Schizophrenia, severe OCD, and others that dramatically impact basic activities.

Schizophrenia and OCD shouldn't be in the same group. That's like saying ADHD is more like DID than like Tourette's. Not that I'm really sensitive about that or anything.

Anyways, I don't think anyone is mocked or blamed for not having a partner because of mental illness. Not that I've seen, anyways.

They aren't in the same group, but they both have severe impacts on the ability to take care of onesself that are similar, they are also well-known for being co-morbid with each other.

I think there's a lot of overlap in the lack of ability to get a partner and mental illness. It's usually not the mental illness that is mocked, but society is perfectly happy mocking the effects of mental illness, even without limiting things to the specific situation.

[Geneviev]

I’m also schizophrenic and have OCD. I’m also an alcoholic though I haven’t been on that for a while

Then I don't know how you do it tbh. I would say your experience is certainly not typical.

Schizophrenia and OCD shouldn't be in the same group. That's like saying ADHD is more like DID than like Tourette's. Not that I'm really sensitive about that or anything.

Anyways, I don't think anyone is mocked or blamed for not having a partner because of mental illness. Not that I've seen, anyways.

They aren't in the same group, but they both have severe impacts on the ability to take care of onesself that are similar, they are also well-known for being co-morbid with each other.

I think there's a lot of overlap in the lack of ability to get a partner and mental illness. It's usually not the mental illness that is mocked, but society is perfectly happy mocking the effects of mental illness, even without limiting things to the specific situation.

There's no evidence I can find for a correlation between mental illness and finding a partner. Do you have a source for that?

[Hurdergaryp]

The point is that men who don't have or get partners due to circumstances beyond their control, or even in their control, don't deserve ridicule. How is that not obvious?

They don’t
People who demand people marry them do.

The whole concept lacks mutual consent, it seems.