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Postby Katganistan » Fri May 25, 2018 7:29 pm

Vassenor wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Studies tend to favor the idea that arranged marriage doesn't have any less success than non-arrange marriage.


Let's see those studies then.

Actually, they do exist. But this scheme was not for arranged: more like ASSIGNED.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri May 25, 2018 7:30 pm

You want to know something funny? I was watching an old Molyneux video and in the context of parenting he was discussing this very exact scenario.

4:15 onwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXMKRJyedmg
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Fri May 25, 2018 7:31 pm

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Let's see those studies then.

Actually, they do exist. But this scheme was not for arranged: more like ASSIGNED.

The legal term is "forced marriage" and is illegal according to international and domestic law and is in direct violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri May 25, 2018 7:35 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yeah, essentially. Though I think there is also a lot that needs to be changed with current sexuality in culture, because we probably should encourage people to get married around 20 or so, instead of just people hooking up.

Why? Their careers strongly discourage having children young, so what's the point?

Then something should be changed with the careers, not changing fundamentally how society works to suit capital.
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Postby New Emeline » Fri May 25, 2018 7:42 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:You want to know something funny? I was watching an old Molyneux video and in the context of parenting he was discussing this very exact scenario.

4:15 onwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXMKRJyedmg

What's his view on it?

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Postby Katganistan » Fri May 25, 2018 7:44 pm

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Katganistan wrote:Of course you do. Otherwise you wouldn't oppose their being forced to marry and bear children against their will. Freedom is slavery.


And war is peace, as is ignorance strength.

Indeed.

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Postby Katganistan » Fri May 25, 2018 7:46 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Why? Their careers strongly discourage having children young, so what's the point?

Then something should be changed with the careers, not changing fundamentally how society works to suit capital.

You appear to have it backward: you need to change society to make your vision of marrying young adults the norm.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri May 25, 2018 7:48 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Then something should be changed with the careers, not changing fundamentally how society works to suit capital.

You appear to have it backward: you need to change society to make your vision of marrying young adults the norm.

It was the norm until demands of capital made it not the norm.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri May 25, 2018 7:48 pm

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The Liberated Territories wrote:You want to know something funny? I was watching an old Molyneux video and in the context of parenting he was discussing this very exact scenario.

4:15 onwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXMKRJyedmg

What's his view on it?


Probably against, as his argument is if spouses were assigned he'd have to work harder to get his wife to love him as there is no "dating stage" to test compatibility. I'd also imagine violence against women would skyrocket in such a system.
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Postby New Emeline » Fri May 25, 2018 7:49 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
New Emeline wrote:What's his view on it?


Probably against, as his argument is if spouses were assigned he'd have to work harder to get his wife to love him as there is no "dating stage" to test compatibility. I'd also imagine violence against women would skyrocket in such a system.

Huh, I agree with Molyneux on something...

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Postby Bakery Hill » Fri May 25, 2018 7:51 pm

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Bakery Hill wrote:You made a long post of bullshit that ended with nine entire news articles of women killing their spouses with the implication that this is a rational reason to avoid certain relationships. This complements your entire posting history. I don't have to desperately find anything.


So you agree with the OP then?

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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri May 25, 2018 7:51 pm

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The Liberated Territories wrote:
Probably against, as his argument is if spouses were assigned he'd have to work harder to get his wife to love him as there is no "dating stage" to test compatibility. I'd also imagine violence against women would skyrocket in such a system.

Huh, I agree with Molyneux on something...


You have to be kookier than Molyneux to propose such a thing
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Postby New Emeline » Fri May 25, 2018 7:52 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Huh, I agree with Molyneux on something...


You have to be kookier than Molyneux to propose such a thing

And that's a pretty high bar
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Postby Katganistan » Fri May 25, 2018 8:43 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Katganistan wrote:You appear to have it backward: you need to change society to make your vision of marrying young adults the norm.

It was the norm until demands of capital made it not the norm.

Evolution/change happens because of environmental stresses that make the new norm a better survival strategy. Even in societal changes, rather than physical, the changes were made because that was best for survival within the society.

You want to regress, there had best be a good reason for it, other than nostalgia.
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Postby Luziyca » Fri May 25, 2018 9:40 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:I'd prefer to stay single than to randomly hook up with someone.

And marriage comes with all kinds of financial caveats as well.

Pass.

My vast preference is that the government gets out of the love lifes of its citizens as much as possible.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat May 26, 2018 6:36 am

Katganistan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It was the norm until demands of capital made it not the norm.

Evolution/change happens because of environmental stresses that make the new norm a better survival strategy. Even in societal changes, rather than physical, the changes were made because that was best for survival within the society.

You want to regress, there had best be a good reason for it, other than nostalgia.

Because the current situation is dehumanizing and disadvantageous for society.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 6:48 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Evolution/change happens because of environmental stresses that make the new norm a better survival strategy. Even in societal changes, rather than physical, the changes were made because that was best for survival within the society.

You want to regress, there had best be a good reason for it, other than nostalgia.

Because the current situation is dehumanizing and disadvantageous for society.

Not convinced that is actually the case, also I am quite certain the old norm as mentioned wasn't that great, actually.


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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat May 26, 2018 6:59 am

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because the current situation is dehumanizing and disadvantageous for society.

Not convinced that is actually the case, also I am quite certain the old norm as mentioned wasn't that great, actually.

It's dehumanizing because it forces people to essentially put off something they likely want to do, possibly indefinitely.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 7:18 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Not convinced that is actually the case, also I am quite certain the old norm as mentioned wasn't that great, actually.

It's dehumanizing because it forces people to essentially put off something they likely want to do, possibly indefinitely.

You can't always have what you want.


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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat May 26, 2018 11:15 am

Whoever supports this idea clearly doesn't understand the emotional component of relationships/marriage

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 11:21 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Whoever supports this idea clearly doesn't understand the emotional component of relationships/marriage

What are these 'emotions' you speak of, fellow human being?


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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat May 26, 2018 11:23 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Whoever supports this idea clearly doesn't understand the emotional component of relationships/marriage

What are these 'emotions' you speak of, fellow human being?

The couple actually loving each other and actively wanting to be together, as opposed to being forced together by some lottery

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 11:25 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:What are these 'emotions' you speak of, fellow human being?

The couple actually loving each other and actively wanting to be together, as opposed to being forced together by some lottery

Well, that is just inefficient. Maximizing the breeding capacity of the species is the only thing that counts.


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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat May 26, 2018 11:27 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:The couple actually loving each other and actively wanting to be together, as opposed to being forced together by some lottery

Well, that is just inefficient. Maximizing the breeding capacity of the species is the only thing that counts.

And overpopulating the fuck out of our civilisation? No. Extramarital affairs would become ubiquitous in such a system anyway.

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