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Postby Matthewstownville » Sat May 26, 2018 11:30 am

Cranborne wrote:I was pondering on the right to life when an idea popped into my mind. The right to life is among the most important, if not the most important right, we have as human beings - it is among the highest of all natural rights. But life is not just our current lives, but our children are continuations of our lives and just as we are the continuation of the lives of our ancestors. Marriage is the optimum way in which new life is created.

Governments are also supposed to enforce rights and not let them fall into neglect. Unfortunately, as can be seen with the likes of incels and even worse, MGTOW community, this right to life has been neglected. So what is to be done by the government in such a case? The distribution of spouses.

I propose that each heterosexual person be placed into a lottery system - both male and female. Once the person is called up, they are to be paired with the other person drawn from the lottery alongside them. They are then to be man and wife, preferably for the rest of their lives. It is not too drastic of a change from arranged marriages, which have served humanity well. This would ensure that every person has a spouse and thus better further ones chances of continuing their lives than our current courtship system does. Further, the lottery system would help ensure that the rich are less able to bribe their way into being pared with high quality mates - the poor should not be punished and I consider myself to be a friend of the poor.

This system would further reduce crime, as women calm men's darkest tendencies, and improve the economy through reduced crime, increased happiness, and a far more stable labor force that is self-replicating (as natalist policies should naturally be enacted in any system, not just this one).

Agree or Disagree?


This is a great idea and would help the people who are 'left on the shelf' so to speak. I would say this is definately something to think about, but as an optional system available for the people. Remember, the more freedoms - the less crime.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 11:34 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Well, that is just inefficient. Maximizing the breeding capacity of the species is the only thing that counts.

And overpopulating the fuck out of our civilisation? No. Extramarital affairs would become ubiquitous in such a system anyway.

You say overpopulation, the market says MORE CONSUMERS.


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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat May 26, 2018 11:36 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:And overpopulating the fuck out of our civilisation? No. Extramarital affairs would become ubiquitous in such a system anyway.

You say overpopulation, the market says MORE CONSUMERS.

Environmentalists disagree.

And read the other point about extramarital affairs.

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 11:37 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:You say overpopulation, the market says MORE CONSUMERS.

Environmentalists disagree.

And read the other point about extramarital affairs.

So what if extramarital affairs become the norm? That would only double the fun!


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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat May 26, 2018 11:49 am

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Environmentalists disagree.

And read the other point about extramarital affairs.

So what if extramarital affairs become the norm? That would only double the fun!

Well, then there's no point in that system. I see how all these extramarital affairs would be fun though :P

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Postby Tekania » Sat May 26, 2018 11:53 am

Cranborne wrote:I was pondering on the right to life when an idea popped into my mind. The right to life is among the most important, if not the most important right, we have as human beings - it is among the highest of all natural rights. But life is not just our current lives, but our children are continuations of our lives and just as we are the continuation of the lives of our ancestors. Marriage is the optimum way in which new life is created.


Life is just your current life, not the life of your children. You have no rights over the life of your born children. The children have rights over their own lives.

Cranborne wrote:Governments are also supposed to enforce rights and not let them fall into neglect.


Governments exist to protect rights, not enforce them. If someone is mandated to do something that is no longer a "right" that is a responsibility.

Cranborne wrote:Unfortunately, as can be seen with the likes of incels and even worse, MGTOW community, this right to life has been neglected.


No MGTOW don't want to be, and INCEL are people who just have not met anyone interested in them. The former choose not to, which is fine. They should have a right to self-determination. The later don't get one because other people also have a right to self-determination.

Cranborne wrote: So what is to be done by the government in such a case? The distribution of spouses.


Better, answer... nothing. There is no compelling reason to do this.

Cranborne wrote:I propose that each heterosexual person be placed into a lottery system - both male and female.


So, people don't have a right to live their life as they see fit, even though them not having kids has absolutely no effect on your person or future? No.

Cranborne wrote:Once the person is called up, they are to be paired with the other person drawn from the lottery alongside them. They are then to be man and wife, preferably for the rest of their lives. It is not too drastic of a change from arranged marriages, which have served humanity well. This would ensure that every person has a spouse and thus better further ones chances of continuing their lives than our current courtship system does. Further, the lottery system would help ensure that the rich are less able to bribe their way into being pared with high quality mates - the poor should not be punished and I consider myself to be a friend of the poor.


Arranged marriages were a past thing for a reason. It was a way for sparce populations and communities to inter-mingle and procreate. Population is not a problem right now, the Human race is no where close to endangered enough to even consider such an absurd idea.

Cranborne wrote:This system would further reduce crime, as women calm men's darkest tendencies, and improve the economy through reduced crime, increased happiness, and a far more stable labor force that is self-replicating (as natalist policies should naturally be enacted in any system, not just this one).


Really, not being in a relationship and having children causes more crime? Then can you tell me why when only 24% of the US population has minor children in the US, whereas 63% of prisoners in the US have minor children?

Cranborne wrote:Agree or Disagree?


Disagree, absolutely shit reasoning on your part. You want a system that curtails the rights of individuals so as to encourage/spur additional population grown which is not needed based upon shit reasonings you just pulled out of your ass.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 12:01 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:So what if extramarital affairs become the norm? That would only double the fun!

Well, then there's no point in that system. I see how all these extramarital affairs would be fun though :P

Not only a cultural, but also a sexual revolution!


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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat May 26, 2018 12:02 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Well, then there's no point in that system. I see how all these extramarital affairs would be fun though :P

Not only a cultural, but also a sexual revolution!

I swear we already had a sexual revolution in the 60s-70s

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Postby Tekania » Sat May 26, 2018 12:04 pm

Matthewstownville wrote:This is a great idea and would help the people who are 'left on the shelf' so to speak. I would say this is definately something to think about, but as an optional system available for the people. Remember, the more freedoms - the less crime.


So, why would you need a government lottery then? If it's optional then the people who have no one can just pair up with each other if they want to. Lottery just sounds like a waste of tax money that would go to the bureaucracy to support a system individuals can already do themselves.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 12:06 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:Not only a cultural, but also a sexual revolution!

I swear we already had a sexual revolution in the 60s-70s

But this will be a different one.


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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat May 26, 2018 12:07 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:I swear we already had a sexual revolution in the 60s-70s

But this will be a different one.

Also, the lottery would just be pointless bureaucracy in that case

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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 12:09 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:But this will be a different one.

Also, the lottery would just be pointless bureaucracy in that case

No, the lottery would be instrumental in creating this brave new world and the unintended side effects that come with it.


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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat May 26, 2018 12:10 pm

Hurdergaryp wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Also, the lottery would just be pointless bureaucracy in that case

No, the lottery would be instrumental in creating this brave new world and the intended side effects that come with it.

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Postby Tekania » Sat May 26, 2018 12:11 pm

Katganistan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It was the norm until demands of capital made it not the norm.

Evolution/change happens because of environmental stresses that make the new norm a better survival strategy. Even in societal changes, rather than physical, the changes were made because that was best for survival within the society.

You want to regress, there had best be a good reason for it, other than nostalgia.


The is correct. Our society has become more technical, which means it takes more education and more time for someone to become established enough to support family which has pushed the ages things happen back in general. Accelerating it does not help anything, because you end up with people with children before they can really support them.

We don't live in a heavily agrarian age with lots of itinerant farmers any longer. We live in a very technical age that requires lots of subject matter experts.
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Postby Sadakoyama » Sat May 26, 2018 12:17 pm

The Holy Therns wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Product exists: Twilight.


Naw, I want actual lottery scenes. Preferably with some super over the top TV show host declaring people married for life.

So write it.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat May 26, 2018 1:34 pm

Sadakoyama wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:Naw, I want actual lottery scenes. Preferably with some super over the top TV show host declaring people married for life.

So write it.

It pretty much writes itself. The real challenge is to pitch it to the networks.


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Postby Simad » Sat May 26, 2018 2:34 pm

Can you say from what state are you from? Are the US actually so culturaly backward or is it just a thing of your community/family? I'm genuinely curious lmao

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Postby Cekoviu » Sat May 26, 2018 5:21 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:You want to know something funny? I was watching an old Molyneux video and in the context of parenting he was discussing this very exact scenario.

4:15 onwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXMKRJyedmg

>watching molyneux on purpose
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Postby Benuty » Sat May 26, 2018 5:33 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:You want to know something funny? I was watching an old Molyneux video and in the context of parenting he was discussing this very exact scenario.

4:15 onwards: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXMKRJyedmg

>watching molyneux on purpose

>Using these things unironically.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat May 26, 2018 8:46 pm

Benuty wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:>watching molyneux on purpose

>Using these things unironically.

>implying
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Benuty wrote:>Using these things unironically.

>implying

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Postby Purpelia » Sun May 27, 2018 6:24 am

This is what happens when you take a somewhat reasonable economic ideology like communism and apply it insanely to things outside of its spectrum. Seriously, this is sexual communism.

Sex, from each according to his abilities and to each according to his needs.
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Postby Kaboomlandia » Sun May 27, 2018 9:19 am

This is an incredibly stupid idea and will lead to a hell of a lot of abusive relationships.
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Postby Katganistan » Sun May 27, 2018 9:54 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Evolution/change happens because of environmental stresses that make the new norm a better survival strategy. Even in societal changes, rather than physical, the changes were made because that was best for survival within the society.

You want to regress, there had best be a good reason for it, other than nostalgia.

Because the current situation is dehumanizing and disadvantageous for society.


Says who? The ones who want to enslave people into sexual relationships and marriage against their will?

If THAT'S not dehumanizing, nothing is.

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Hurdergaryp wrote:Not convinced that is actually the case, also I am quite certain the old norm as mentioned wasn't that great, actually.

It's dehumanizing because it forces people to essentially put off something they likely want to do, possibly indefinitely.


Why? because someone else doesn't want to be forced into it?

Too fucking bad. You don't owe me your personhood, and neither do I owe you mine.
Deal with it.
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Postby Risottia » Sun May 27, 2018 10:22 am

Purpelia wrote:This is what happens when you take a somewhat reasonable economic ideology like communism and apply it insanely to things outside of its spectrum. Seriously, this is sexual communism.

No, it's not. There's a State dictating who gets what, so it cannot be communism. Sexual socialism, at best.
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