Religion and the LGBTQ community.

[Geneviev]

Let's be fair here: Nation of Islam isn't Islamic any more than Mormonism is Christian.

You might want to educate yourself before you make such a claim. Mormons are Christian.

Just what I was thinking.

[Geneviev]

Christianity can be just as bad or worse.

The percentage of Christians worldwide who support that kind of thing is much smaller than in Islam, as evidenced in polling and legal systems.

I already showed you a source that contradicts that claim.

[New Emeline]

The percentage of Christians worldwide who support that kind of thing is much smaller than in Islam, as evidenced in polling and legal systems.

I already showed you a source that contradicts that claim.

Which source?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Let's be fair here: Nation of Islam isn't Islamic any more than Mormonism is Christian.

You might want to educate yourself before you make such a claim. Mormons are Christian.

Wrong, they have a completely different theology.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The percentage of Christians worldwide who support that kind of thing is much smaller than in Islam, as evidenced in polling and legal systems.

I already showed you a source that contradicts that claim.

Your source was for American Christians alone. My source was worldwide.

[New Emeline]

You might want to educate yourself before you make such a claim. Mormons are Christian.

Wrong, they have a completely different theology.

i mean i have relatives who don't think catholics count as christian

[The Ozark Frontier]

Wrong, they have a completely different theology.

i mean i have relatives who don't think catholics count as christian

It’s a matter of perspective for that one.

[Halmund]

You might want to educate yourself before you make such a claim. Mormons are Christian.

Just what I was thinking.

Mormon hate bothers me. I get that some can be a little much, but that’s far from how they are collectively. I’m Mormon, though not devout. I’m kinda more of the “do what you want, I’ll do what I want” type. A libertarian Mormon, if that makes sense.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Wrong, they have a completely different theology.

i mean i have relatives who don't think catholics count as christian

Which is dumb because Catholicism was one of the earliest forms of Christianity, while generally people in the "Catholics aren't Christian" camp follow much newer forms of Christianity.

Mormonism though is completely different, so different it doesn't even fall in the Christian camp.

[Geneviev]

I already showed you a source that contradicts that claim.

Which source?

I can't find it, sorry.

[Liriena]

what are your thoughts on this?

As someone who isn't a Christian, or religious in any other way, but still has a sort of fondness for many of Jesus' teachings and for the good works of many Christians, it saddens me how awful much of Christianity continues to be towards LGBTQ+ people. Even if it's consistent with certain elements of the Bible, it still makes no rational, practical sense and turns a faith with great potential to do good into an instrument of selfish authoritarianism and abuse.

[Halmund]

You might want to educate yourself before you make such a claim. Mormons are Christian.

Wrong, they have a completely different theology.

Perhaps you could explain?

[Reikoku]

You might want to educate yourself before you make such a claim. Mormons are Christian.

Just what I was thinking.

Mormonism teaches that God was originally a man, and that there are countless Gods just like him, and that man can eventually become the same as God. It also teaches that, rather than the Holy Father and Holy Son being the same essence, Jesus is simply one of many sons of Jehovah with one of his many wives. These beliefs reject almost all of the essential elements of Christianity.

[Geneviev]

I already showed you a source that contradicts that claim.

Your source was for American Christians alone. My source was worldwide.

Your source was based on nation rather than religion.

[New Emeline]

i mean i have relatives who don't think catholics count as christian

Which is dumb because Catholicism was one of the earliest forms of Christianity, while generally people in the "Catholics aren't Christian" camp follow much newer forms of Christianity.

Mormonism though is completely different, so different it doesn't even fall in the Christian camp.

they're arguments seemed fairly reasonable to me
although i'm 1. not an expert on theology and 2. a heathen so i'm not the one to ask

[Halmund]

Just what I was thinking.

Mormonism teaches that God was originally a man, and that there are countless Gods just like him, and that man can eventually become the same as God. It also teaches that, rather than the Holy Father and Holy Son being the same essence, Jesus is simply one of many sons of Jehovah with one of his many wives. These beliefs reject almost all of the essential elements of Christianity.

Yikes. I think you don’t understand Mormonism like you think you do.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Wrong, they have a completely different theology.

Perhaps you could explain?

Christianity believes in a triune God that is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in one substance, three persons in one being. And believes that this God is the creator of all things in the universe, the supreme being.

Mormonism believes that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate beings, that Son was created by the Father, and that God was once a man who was turned into a god for His good deeds as a man.

[The Ozark Frontier]

what are your thoughts on this?

As someone who isn't a Christian, or religious in any other way, but still has a sort of fondness for many of Jesus' teachings and for the good works of many Christians, it saddens me how awful much of Christianity continues to be towards LGBTQ+ people. Even if it's consistent with certain elements of the Bible, it still makes no rational, practical sense and turns a faith with great potential to do good into an instrument of selfish authoritarianism and abuse.

Don’t worry friend!~ That’s a Small Number! And Besides, Second Verse is same as the First, Christians should know better than to hate fellow Sinners. After all, we all are suffering, Together!~

[Halmund]

Perhaps you could explain?

Christianity believes in a triune God that is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in one substance, three persons in one being. And believes that this God is the creator of all things in the universe, the supreme being.

Mormonism believes that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate beings, that Son was created by the Father, and that God was once a man who was turned into a god for His good deeds as a man.

As a Mormon, I agree with everything but that last line. I don’t recall learning God being a man once. I learned that God created man.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Your source was for American Christians alone. My source was worldwide.

Your source was based on nation rather than religion.

A 2007 survey of British Muslims showed that 61% believe homosexuality should be illegal, with up to 71% of young British Muslims holding this belief.[183] A later Gallup poll in 2009 showed that none of the 500 British Muslims polled believed homosexuality to be "morally acceptable". This compared with 35% of the 1001 French Muslims polled that did.[184]

According to a 2012 poll, 51% of the Turks in Germany, who account for nearly two thirds of the total Muslim population in Germany,[185] believe that homosexuality is an illness.[186]

In a 2016 ICM poll of 1,081 British Muslims, 52% of those polled disagreed with the statement 'Homosexuality should be legal in Britain' compared with 11% of the control group; 18% agreed compared with 73% of the control group. In the same poll, 56% of British Muslims polled disagreed with the statement 'Gay marriage should be legal in Britain' compared with 20% of the control group and 47% disagreed with the statement 'It is acceptable for a homosexual person to be a teacher in a school' compared with 14% of the control group.[187]

American Muslims - in line with general public attitudes in the United States - have become much more accepting of homosexuality over recent years. In a 2007 poll conducted by Pew Research Center, only 27% of American Muslims believed that homosexuality should be accepted. In a 2011 poll, that rose to 39%. In a July 2017 poll, Muslims who say homosexuality should be accepted by society clearly outnumber those who say it should be discouraged (52% versus 33%).[188]

[Geneviev]

As someone who isn't a Christian, or religious in any other way, but still has a sort of fondness for many of Jesus' teachings and for the good works of many Christians, it saddens me how awful much of Christianity continues to be towards LGBTQ+ people. Even if it's consistent with certain elements of the Bible, it still makes no rational, practical sense and turns a faith with great potential to do good into an instrument of selfish authoritarianism and abuse.

Don’t worry friend!~ That’s a Small Number! And Besides, Second Verse is same as the First, Christians should know better than to hate fellow Sinners. After all, we all are suffering, Together!~

Christians should know a lot of things. Yet I don't see you eating honey very much (Proverbs 24) or teaching submission (Colossians 3).

[United Muscovite Nations]

Christianity believes in a triune God that is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in one substance, three persons in one being. And believes that this God is the creator of all things in the universe, the supreme being.

Mormonism believes that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are separate beings, that Son was created by the Father, and that God was once a man who was turned into a god for His good deeds as a man.

As a Mormon, I agree with everything but that last line. I don’t recall learning God being a man once. I learned that God created man.

“My first object is to find out the character of the only wise and true God, and what kind of a being He is. …

“God Himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by His power, was to make Himself visible,—I say, if you were to see Him today, you would see Him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another. …

“… Having a knowledge of God, we begin to know how to approach Him, and how to ask so as to receive an answer. When we understand the character of God, and know how to come to Him, He begins to unfold the heavens to us, and to tell us all about it. When we are ready to come to Him, He is ready to come to us.”9

https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-jo ... g=eng&_r=1

[Herskerstad]

You might want to educate yourself before you make such a claim. Mormons are Christian.

Just what I was thinking.

A primary attribute of Christianity is being monotheistic. Mormonism is polytheistic.

[Geneviev]

Just what I was thinking.

A primary attribute of Christianity is being monotheistic. Mormonism is polytheistic.

Having experience with Mormonism... no.

[The Ozark Frontier]

Don’t worry friend!~ That’s a Small Number! And Besides, Second Verse is same as the First, Christians should know better than to hate fellow Sinners. After all, we all are suffering, Together!~

Christians should know a lot of things. Yet I don't see you eating honey very much (Proverbs 24) or teaching submission (Colossians 3).

Darling, I’m actually Big into Honey, Especially Locally sorced! And Why should I Teach Submission? People are Born Beautiful the way they are!~