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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 5:50 pm

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New Emeline wrote:wait what


Nation of Islam I believe.

tbh I just thought of this
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:52 pm

Dylar wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?

True, however, ISIS uses the Quran to justify inhumane acts towards the Infidel. Such as beheadings.

ISIS does not represent Islam any more than the KKK represents Christianity.
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 5:52 pm

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The Ozark Frontier wrote:Litterally Jesus saying Love Thy Neighbor as thy self?

Have you never heard of the Curse of Ham?

No I have. However, Rascism is in Violation of Jesus’s Command. Is it not?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:53 pm

Geneviev wrote:
The Ozark Frontier wrote:Litterally Jesus saying Love Thy Neighbor as thy self?

Have you never heard of the Curse of Ham?


You are aware that didn't start being used a justification for racism until the late middle ages at the earliest, yes? Even then it was just people who didn't want to feel bad about the slave trade making some shit up. It has no real basis.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:54 pm

The Ozark Frontier wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Have you never heard of the Curse of Ham?

No I have. However, Rascism is in Violation of Jesus’s Command. Is it not?

So is homophobia.

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Geneviev wrote:Have you never heard of the Curse of Ham?


You are aware that didn't start being used a justification for racism until the late middle ages at the earliest, yes? Even then it was just people who didn't want to feel bad about the slave trade making some shit up. It has no real basis.

Same with homophobia. It wasn't in the Bible until 1949 if I remember correctly.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:55 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You are aware that didn't start being used a justification for racism until the late middle ages at the earliest, yes? Even then it was just people who didn't want to feel bad about the slave trade making some shit up. It has no real basis.

Same with homophobia. It wasn't in the Bible until 1949 if I remember correctly.


Bullshit. You can go read the original Koine Greek stuff and it will still say the same thing. I'm sorry Geneviev but your positions on Christianity have no basis in reality.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 29, 2018 5:56 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Let's be fair here: Nation of Islam isn't Islamic any more than Mormonism is Christian.


Yeah I get it, every other one true religion is a liar and pretender at the truth.
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 5:57 pm

Geneviev wrote:
The Ozark Frontier wrote:No I have. However, Rascism is in Violation of Jesus’s Command. Is it not?

So is homophobia.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You are aware that didn't start being used a justification for racism until the late middle ages at the earliest, yes? Even then it was just people who didn't want to feel bad about the slave trade making some shit up. It has no real basis.

Same with homophobia. It wasn't in the Bible until 1949 if I remember correctly.


Where has Jesus ever said to Hate Gays? He hasn’t. He said to love the Sinner for You are a Sinner yourself, we all are.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:57 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Same with homophobia. It wasn't in the Bible until 1949 if I remember correctly.


Bullshit. You can go read the original Koine Greek stuff and it will still say the same thing. I'm sorry Geneviev but your positions on Christianity have no basis in reality.

It did not say the exact same thing.

Anyways, cool. My life has no basis in reality. It all fits, doesn't it?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:58 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bullshit. You can go read the original Koine Greek stuff and it will still say the same thing. I'm sorry Geneviev but your positions on Christianity have no basis in reality.

It did not say the exact same thing.

Anyways, cool. My life has no basis in reality. It all fits, doesn't it?


It absolutely did and you've offered no proof otherwise. People can still learn and read Koine Greek, it's not hard for clergy to check these things.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:59 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bullshit. You can go read the original Koine Greek stuff and it will still say the same thing. I'm sorry Geneviev but your positions on Christianity have no basis in reality.

It did not say the exact same thing.

Anyways, cool. My life has no basis in reality. It all fits, doesn't it?

I think you're using your experiences to trivialize other people's experiences of religion.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:00 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It did not say the exact same thing.

Anyways, cool. My life has no basis in reality. It all fits, doesn't it?


It absolutely did and you've offered no proof otherwise. People can still learn and read Koine Greek, it's not hard for clergy to check these things.

The only mentions I saw, the word could have been masturbation, rape, or fornication.
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 6:01 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bullshit. You can go read the original Koine Greek stuff and it will still say the same thing. I'm sorry Geneviev but your positions on Christianity have no basis in reality.

It did not say the exact same thing.

Anyways, cool. My life has no basis in reality. It all fits, doesn't it?

Well, I’d certainly hope You life is not based on being hateful towards Christians. But It’s okay! I Forgive you~ And you are beautiful just the way you are~
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:02 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It did not say the exact same thing.

Anyways, cool. My life has no basis in reality. It all fits, doesn't it?

I think you're using your experiences to trivialize other people's experiences of religion.

No, of course not. Other people are free to believe whatever they want. I only disagree.

The Ozark Frontier wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It did not say the exact same thing.

Anyways, cool. My life has no basis in reality. It all fits, doesn't it?

Well, I’d certainly hope You life is not based on being hateful towards Christians. But It’s okay! I Forgive you~ And you are beautiful just the way you are~

It certainly is not.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 6:04 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think you're using your experiences to trivialize other people's experiences of religion.

No, of course not. Other people are free to believe whatever they want. I only disagree.

But you're saying that Islam is more tolerant because your experiences with Christianity are bad, but you defend Islam in the face of experiences other people have had with it about LGBT rights. That's trivializing other people's experiences.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:05 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:No, of course not. Other people are free to believe whatever they want. I only disagree.

But you're saying that Islam is more tolerant because your experiences with Christianity are bad, but you defend Islam in the face of experiences other people have had with it about LGBT rights. That's trivializing other people's experiences.

People are doing the same with Christianity. Defending your beliefs does not mean trivializing other people's experiences.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 6:06 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:But you're saying that Islam is more tolerant because your experiences with Christianity are bad, but you defend Islam in the face of experiences other people have had with it about LGBT rights. That's trivializing other people's experiences.

People are doing the same with Christianity.

Hey, I'm not exactly a friend of Christianity either, but the criticisms you are making are rather... odd.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:07 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Geneviev wrote:People are doing the same with Christianity.

Hey, I'm not exactly a friend of Christianity either, but the criticisms you are making are rather... odd.

How so?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 6:08 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:But you're saying that Islam is more tolerant because your experiences with Christianity are bad, but you defend Islam in the face of experiences other people have had with it about LGBT rights. That's trivializing other people's experiences.

People are doing the same with Christianity. Defending your beliefs does not mean trivializing other people's experiences.

But when you're saying "Christianity is worse" in the face of being told time and time again that many Muslims support the death penalty for homosexuality, you can see how that looks, right?
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 6:08 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Geneviev wrote:People are doing the same with Christianity.

Hey, I'm not exactly a friend of Christianity either, but the criticisms you are making are rather... odd.

Hehe~ Come be my Friend~
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 6:09 pm

Geneviev wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Hey, I'm not exactly a friend of Christianity either, but the criticisms you are making are rather... odd.

How so?

Odd is the wrong word, but you are applying personal experience to a framework based on larger patterns and data. I can understand why you would not wish to be a Christian/why you would want to be a Muslim, but that is personal and not generally applicable to the world at large.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:09 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:People are doing the same with Christianity. Defending your beliefs does not mean trivializing other people's experiences.

But when you're saying "Christianity is worse" in the face of being told time and time again that many Muslims support the death penalty for homosexuality, you can see how that looks, right?

Christianity can be just as bad or worse.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 6:11 pm

The Ozark Frontier wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Hey, I'm not exactly a friend of Christianity either, but the criticisms you are making are rather... odd.

Hehe~ Come be my Friend~

sure, why not

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Postby Halmund » Tue May 29, 2018 6:12 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Let's be fair here: Nation of Islam isn't Islamic any more than Mormonism is Christian.


You might want to educate yourself before you make such a claim. Mormons are Christian.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 6:12 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:But when you're saying "Christianity is worse" in the face of being told time and time again that many Muslims support the death penalty for homosexuality, you can see how that looks, right?

Christianity can be just as bad or worse.

The percentage of Christians worldwide who support that kind of thing is much smaller than in Islam, as evidenced in polling and legal systems.
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