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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:36 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's not calling for a theocracy, it's telling Christians to submit to the Roman Empire, which wasn't Christian.

It does depend on interpretation.

No it doesn't, it was written when Christians were a small minority and it's telling them not to revolt against the Romans like the Jews did.
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The Ozark Frontier
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 5:36 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Some sins you can not repent for because they're an essential part of who you are, meaning you can't make it go away.

You can still repent for them, can't you?

Yup! Just look at me~
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:37 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:It does depend on interpretation.

No it doesn't, it was written when Christians were a small minority and it's telling them not to revolt against the Romans like the Jews did.

And it has been used as justification for theocracy.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:37 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No it doesn't, it was written when Christians were a small minority and it's telling them not to revolt against the Romans like the Jews did.

And it has been used as justification for theocracy.


When?
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Postby Herskerstad » Tue May 29, 2018 5:37 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Geneviev wrote:As in, not a theocracy.

Right, and not all of the countries marked Muslim are theocracies either.


Technically none of them are.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 5:37 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
New Emeline wrote:You can still repent for them, can't you?


Yes you can. That's kinda the whole point.

Yeah, that's always been my impression of it. Sort of "Hey God, sorry I'm gay, please forgive me" and you get into heaven. Which I don't exactly like, mind you, but it is what they believe.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:37 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No it doesn't, it was written when Christians were a small minority and it's telling them not to revolt against the Romans like the Jews did.

And it has been used as justification for theocracy.

No, it was a justification for the rule of kings.
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 5:38 pm

Geneviev wrote:
New Emeline wrote:You can still repent for them, can't you?

Repentance means you change whatever you're repenting from.


If that was so, then all Repentance would be Meaningless.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:And it has been used as justification for theocracy.


When?

I believe this was the source. It may not be.
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Postby Dylar » Tue May 29, 2018 5:40 pm

The Ozark Frontier wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Repentance means you change whatever you're repenting from.


If that was so, then all Repentance would be Meaningless.

No...

That's really the whole point of repentance. You commit a sin, you confess it to the priest who is acting in persona Christi, you do the penance the priest assigns you and then you strive to never commit that sin again...
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:40 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
When?

I believe this was the source. It may not be.

That's not a mainstream Christian group, it's the site of a fringe apocalyptic group, that is not how it was used historically either, while the Quran was very much used to justify theocracy throughout history.
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 5:43 pm

Dylar wrote:
The Ozark Frontier wrote:
If that was so, then all Repentance would be Meaningless.

No...

That's really the whole point of repentance. You commit a sin, you confess it to the priest who is acting in persona Christi, you do the penance the priest assigns you and then you strive to never commit that sin again...

Well yeah. However, Most are Bound to commit that sin again. And, I think I might be a Diffrent Denomination... Idk~
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:44 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I believe this was the source. It may not be.

That's not a mainstream Christian group, it's the site of a fringe apocalyptic group, that is not how it was used historically either, while the Quran was very much used to justify theocracy throughout history.

The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 5:45 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's not a mainstream Christian group, it's the site of a fringe apocalyptic group, that is not how it was used historically either, while the Quran was very much used to justify theocracy throughout history.

The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?

The Bible did not justify Racism. It talked about Slavery more in the Form of “Indentured Servitude.”
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:46 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's not a mainstream Christian group, it's the site of a fringe apocalyptic group, that is not how it was used historically either, while the Quran was very much used to justify theocracy throughout history.

The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?


Fucking what?
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:46 pm

The Ozark Frontier wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?

The Bible did not justify Racism. It talked about Slavery more in the Form of “Indentured Servitude.”

The story of Ham?
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 5:46 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's not a mainstream Christian group, it's the site of a fringe apocalyptic group, that is not how it was used historically either, while the Quran was very much used to justify theocracy throughout history.

The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?

am pretty sure both were

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 29, 2018 5:46 pm

Geneviev wrote:The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?


That's true, no muslim ever said white people were a race of devils created by an evil scientist.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 5:47 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?


That's true, no muslim ever said white people were a race of devils created by an evil scientist.

wait what

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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 5:48 pm

Geneviev wrote:
The Ozark Frontier wrote:The Bible did not justify Racism. It talked about Slavery more in the Form of “Indentured Servitude.”

The story of Ham?

Litterally Jesus saying Love Thy Neighbor as thy self?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:49 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's not a mainstream Christian group, it's the site of a fringe apocalyptic group, that is not how it was used historically either, while the Quran was very much used to justify theocracy throughout history.

The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?

You realize that historically there were many non-white Christians in Nubia and Ethiopia? As well as in India.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:49 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
That's true, no muslim ever said white people were a race of devils created by an evil scientist.

wait what


Nation of Islam I believe.
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Postby Dylar » Tue May 29, 2018 5:49 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's not a mainstream Christian group, it's the site of a fringe apocalyptic group, that is not how it was used historically either, while the Quran was very much used to justify theocracy throughout history.

The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?

True, however, ISIS uses the Quran to justify inhumane acts towards the Infidel. Such as beheadings.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:50 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The Bible was used to justify racism, the Quran wasn't. Your point is?


That's true, no muslim ever said white people were a race of devils created by an evil scientist.

Let's be fair here: Nation of Islam isn't Islamic any more than Mormonism is Christian.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:50 pm

The Ozark Frontier wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The story of Ham?

Litterally Jesus saying Love Thy Neighbor as thy self?

Have you never heard of the Curse of Ham?
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