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Postby Kaiserreich irl » Tue May 29, 2018 5:18 pm

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Yet you won't apply the same logic to Islam. Why?

1. Personal reasons.
2. Because I have reason to believe Islam is just more accepting.

They also beat up women,Jews, Christian Minorities, and much much more.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:1. Personal reasons.
2. Because I have reason to believe Islam is just more accepting.


Your reasons are, objectively, wrong. Muslim groups who are separated by thousands of miles carry out the same punishments for homosexuality.

To go back to another point of yours, where in the New Testament does it even say that gays should be stoned?

That's in Leviticus. The New Testament doesn't revoke that statement anywhere and still says LGBTQ+ is a sin.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 29, 2018 5:19 pm

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Kaiserreich irl wrote:There are a lot of Catholics in America.

That is certainly true and deeply troubling


ok master of distraction; let's not take away from the topic unless of course you can tie back into the topic the amount of Catholics in the US.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:20 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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Your reasons are, objectively, wrong. Muslim groups who are separated by thousands of miles carry out the same punishments for homosexuality.

To go back to another point of yours, where in the New Testament does it even say that gays should be stoned?

That's in Leviticus. The New Testament doesn't revoke that statement anywhere and still says LGBTQ+ is a sin.


For having supposedly studied Christianity for years you don't seem very familiar with the New Covenant and such things.
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 5:22 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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Your reasons are, objectively, wrong. Muslim groups who are separated by thousands of miles carry out the same punishments for homosexuality.

To go back to another point of yours, where in the New Testament does it even say that gays should be stoned?

That's in Leviticus. The New Testament doesn't revoke that statement anywhere and still says LGBTQ+ is a sin.


Yeah, Homosexuality is a Sin, but Jesus said that their Punishment shall not be carried out by the hands of Sinners. And since everyone is a Sinner...
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:22 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:That's in Leviticus. The New Testament doesn't revoke that statement anywhere and still says LGBTQ+ is a sin.


For having supposedly studied Christianity for years you don't seem very familiar with the New Covenant and such things.

Three years, to be specific, and I'm assuming Romans and 1 Timothy do count, as much as I disagree.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:22 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yet you won't apply the same logic to Islam. Why?

1. Personal reasons.
2. Because I have reason to believe Islam is just more accepting.

Here's a graphic of opinions of the public in various countries, with letters signifying if they are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or some combination.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:25 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:1. Personal reasons.
2. Because I have reason to believe Islam is just more accepting.

Here's a graphic of opinions of the public in various countries, with letters signifying if they are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or some combination.

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Most of the countries marked as Christian aren't actually Christian. If they were, the numbers would be different.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:26 pm

Geneviev wrote:
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For having supposedly studied Christianity for years you don't seem very familiar with the New Covenant and such things.

Three years, to be specific, and I'm assuming Romans and 1 Timothy do count, as much as I disagree.


There's some debate whether Timothy is even an original work or if it was added later and when taken in context Romans pretty much just says that yes homosexuality is a sin but so is a bunch of other stuff and it never mentions stoning.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:26 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Here's a graphic of opinions of the public in various countries, with letters signifying if they are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or some combination.

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Most of the countries marked as Christian aren't actually Christian. If they were, the numbers would be different.

No True Scotsman.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 5:27 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Most of the countries marked as Christian aren't actually Christian. If they were, the numbers would be different.

No True Scotsman.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:28 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Three years, to be specific, and I'm assuming Romans and 1 Timothy do count, as much as I disagree.


There's some debate whether Timothy is even an original work or if it was added later and when taken in context Romans pretty much just says that yes homosexuality is a sin but so is a bunch of other stuff and it never mentions stoning.

Do not inherit the kingdom of God.
Nowhere does it say "Oh never mind, I decided that maybe their blood is on their own hands is too harsh so still follow the rule here but be nice about it."
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:29 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Most of the countries marked as Christian aren't actually Christian. If they were, the numbers would be different.

No True Scotsman.

As in, not a theocracy.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 5:30 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No True Scotsman.

As in, not a theocracy.

Right, and not all of the countries marked Muslim are theocracies either.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:30 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No True Scotsman.

As in, not a theocracy.

It's Islam, not Christianity, that calls for a theocracy as one of its main tenets.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:30 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There's some debate whether Timothy is even an original work or if it was added later and when taken in context Romans pretty much just says that yes homosexuality is a sin but so is a bunch of other stuff and it never mentions stoning.

Do not inherit the kingdom of God.
Nowhere does it say "Oh never mind, I decided that maybe their blood is on their own hands is too harsh so still follow the rule here but be nice about it."


Yeah, they won't inherit the kingdom of God, meaning they're sinners. That's why you repent for whatever sin is in question. This is really basic Christianity.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:31 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:As in, not a theocracy.

It's Islam, not Christianity, that calls for a theocracy as one of its main tenets.

Romans 13:1-7.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 5:33 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's Islam, not Christianity, that calls for a theocracy as one of its main tenets.

Romans 13:1-7.

That's not calling for a theocracy, it's telling Christians to submit to the Roman Empire, which wasn't Christian.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Do not inherit the kingdom of God.
Nowhere does it say "Oh never mind, I decided that maybe their blood is on their own hands is too harsh so still follow the rule here but be nice about it."


Yeah, they won't inherit the kingdom of God, meaning they're sinners. That's why you repent for whatever sin is in question. This is really basic Christianity.

Some sins you can not repent for because they're an essential part of who you are, meaning you can't make it go away.
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 5:34 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's Islam, not Christianity, that calls for a theocracy as one of its main tenets.

Romans 13:1-7.

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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 5:34 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah, they won't inherit the kingdom of God, meaning they're sinners. That's why you repent for whatever sin is in question. This is really basic Christianity.

Some sins you can not repent for because they're an essential part of who you are, meaning you can't make it go away.

You can still repent for them, can't you?

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:34 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Romans 13:1-7.

That's not calling for a theocracy, it's telling Christians to submit to the Roman Empire, which wasn't Christian.

It does depend on interpretation.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 5:35 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Some sins you can not repent for because they're an essential part of who you are, meaning you can't make it go away.

You can still repent for them, can't you?


Yes you can. That's kinda the whole point.

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's not calling for a theocracy, it's telling Christians to submit to the Roman Empire, which wasn't Christian.

It does depend on interpretation.


It absolutely does not. That's exactly what it means. It's also why Jesus says "Render unto Caesar what is Caesars and unto God what is Gods".
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Postby Dylar » Tue May 29, 2018 5:36 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yeah, they won't inherit the kingdom of God, meaning they're sinners. That's why you repent for whatever sin is in question. This is really basic Christianity.

Some sins you can not repent for because they're an essential part of who you are, meaning you can't make it go away.

No, you can repent for homosexual acts. We've been over this before. Homosexuality in of itself is not a sin, but the homosexual acts are. Gay sex, gay marriage, etc.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 5:36 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Some sins you can not repent for because they're an essential part of who you are, meaning you can't make it go away.

You can still repent for them, can't you?

Repentance means you change whatever you're repenting from.
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