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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 4:23 pm

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Well yeah, it's considered a fault by all the Abrahamic religions. Judaism, Islam and Christianity all consider it such.

Not all.


That has nothing to do with the religions themselves.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 4:25 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Not all.


That has nothing to do with the religions themselves.

A religion is the people who follow it.
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So you are pan sexual?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 4:25 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
That has nothing to do with the religions themselves.

A religion is the people who follow it.


Even the resident Muslims on this very forum disagree with that claim.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 29, 2018 4:26 pm

The Ozark Frontier wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
So you are pan sexual?

Yes Actually~

Wow, a far-right fascist who's pansexual? Now I've seen everything.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 4:27 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geneviev wrote:A religion is the people who follow it.


Even the resident Muslims on this very forum disagree with that claim.

As a whole, a religions views on things like LGBTQ+ change when its followers change their views. Which is why you don't see very much killing in Germany anymore.
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Postby Kaiserreich irl » Tue May 29, 2018 4:28 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Well yeah, it's considered a fault by all the Abrahamic religions. Judaism, Islam and Christianity all consider it such.

Not all.

Biased website

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 4:28 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Well yeah, it's considered a fault by all the Abrahamic religions. Judaism, Islam and Christianity all consider it such.

Not all.

American Muslims are not representative of the Muslim religion, or of Muslim people worldwide.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 29, 2018 4:28 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Even the resident Muslims on this very forum disagree with that claim.

As a whole, a religions views on things like LGBTQ+ change when its followers change their views. Which is why you don't see very much killing in Germany anymore.

Yeh, but the vast majority of Islam's followers in the world are homophobic, so...
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 4:29 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Even the resident Muslims on this very forum disagree with that claim.

As a whole, a religions views on things like LGBTQ+ change when its followers change their views. Which is why you don't see very much killing in Germany anymore.


Islams views on LGBT's certainly haven't changed. The punishment for such things ranges anywhere from being whipped 100 times to the death penalty or, if you want to accept some slightly later writings, throwing LGBT peoples from the highest point in town headfirst.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 29, 2018 4:29 pm

Kaiserreich irl wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Not all.

Biased website


[citation needed]
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 29, 2018 4:29 pm

I think that the progressive view that certain religions have taken on homosexuality is a perfect example of how the divine right and wrong tend to bend to whatever is societal appropriate. The simple fact is that there is no justifiable reason the word of god should be different now then it was then. Either homosexuality is a sin or it never was. If your view on homosexuality comes from your religion and it has changed your probably a closet atheist.
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 29, 2018 4:30 pm

Kaiserreich irl wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Not all.

Biased website

The article is certainly biased, but the study it links to is legitimate (the Pew Research Center is one of the best pollsters around).
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Postby Kaiserreich irl » Tue May 29, 2018 4:31 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Kaiserreich irl wrote:Biased website


[citation needed]

Haven't you seen the website design. The Selection of stories makes it promote leftist views. I am neither left or right, I am just against biased websites as a whole. So no Fox or CNN

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 4:32 pm

Kaiserreich irl wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Not all.

Biased website

There are more sources.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 29, 2018 4:33 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Even the resident Muslims on this very forum disagree with that claim.

As a whole, a religions views on things like LGBTQ+ change when its followers change their views. Which is why you don't see very much killing in Germany anymore.


Hmmm. Disagree with your claim. Islam is not gay friendly by any stretch. I used to work with Muslims from the ME; were gay and had to flee in the middle of the night because the faithful were coming to kill them.

The fact some American Muslims may have no issues? Not much to go on. Even the article mentions "suggests" not exactly solid proof.

Keep in mind the fact that physical violence decreasing is probably more to laws being established then the faithful becoming accepting.....
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Postby Kaiserreich irl » Tue May 29, 2018 4:33 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kaiserreich irl wrote:Biased website

There are more sources.

Muslims are still the only people who actively hang people for homosexuality. This is an American-Centric viewpoint

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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 4:35 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Ozark Frontier wrote:Yes Actually~

Wow, a far-right fascist who's pansexual? Now I've seen everything.

Ya God damn right~ And I suppose I am kind of a Xenophile~
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 29, 2018 4:36 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kaiserreich irl wrote:Biased website

There are more sources.


Hmmm. Its easy to answer a poll and say oh I don't mind versus having to deal with it.....
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 4:36 pm

Kaiserreich irl wrote:

Muslims are still the only people who actively hang people for homosexuality. This is an American-Centric viewpoint

I couldn't find any sources on Europe, but by my experience Muslims in Europe are accepting as well.
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Postby Kaiserreich irl » Tue May 29, 2018 4:38 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kaiserreich irl wrote:Muslims are still the only people who actively hang people for homosexuality. This is an American-Centric viewpoint

I couldn't find any sources on Europe, but by my experience Muslims in Europe are accepting as well.

They are probably Westernized Muslims. The actual Middle-Eastern(pretty much anywhere in Europe or Azerbaijan) ones though...

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 4:39 pm

Kaiserreich irl wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I couldn't find any sources on Europe, but by my experience Muslims in Europe are accepting as well.

They are probably Westernized Muslims. The actual Middle-Eastern(pretty much anywhere in Europe or Azerbaijan) ones though...

That is more than religion, though. There is a cultural aspect in that region.
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Postby Kaiserreich irl » Tue May 29, 2018 4:40 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kaiserreich irl wrote:They are probably Westernized Muslims. The actual Middle-Eastern(pretty much anywhere in Europe or Azerbaijan) ones though...

That is more than religion, though. There is a cultural aspect in that region.

That is what I literally said(Westernized) (._.)

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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 4:41 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kaiserreich irl wrote:They are probably Westernized Muslims. The actual Middle-Eastern(pretty much anywhere in Europe or Azerbaijan) ones though...

That is more than religion, though. There is a cultural aspect in that region.

No, it’s religion... It is defiantly Religion.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 4:42 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Kaiserreich irl wrote:They are probably Westernized Muslims. The actual Middle-Eastern(pretty much anywhere in Europe or Azerbaijan) ones though...

That is more than religion, though. There is a cultural aspect in that region.

So, when Christians are homophobic, it's the religion, but when Muslims are homophobic, it's just the culture?
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