Religion and the LGBTQ community.

[Alvecia]

Moderately broadly then.

So literally anything anyone makes. All it takes is a claim of expression and it is art.

I mean yeah, how do you classify art?

My point is that depending on how much leeway you’re willing to give the definition of art, then literally every business can discriminate against whomever they like without repercussion.

It’s why I don’t think art by itself should be the standard by which we define whether or not a business person can discriminate in their operation.

[San Lumen]

Everyone is equal under the law. Its called the 14th amendment.

What's that got to do with it? You can legislate against prostitution, doesn't mean prostitutes are not equal under the law. Not having polygamy doesn't mean people with multiple partners aren't equal under the law.

Your the one who has called the civil rights act or anti discrimination laws unconstitutional.

[Dylar]

Everyone has equal protection of the law, not under the law.

Meaning that a cop cannot arrest someone simply for being gay.

Otherwise the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" rule would be rendered unconstitutional.

That is different. That is not a race, religion or sexual orientation.

And if there is a religion that says it's followers have to avoid wearing shoes and shirts?

[San Lumen]

That is different. That is not a race, religion or sexual orientation.

And if there is a religion that says it's followers have to avoid wearing shoes and shirts?

There is no religion i know of that says that.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Jesus Christ said we must deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him.

That doesn't mean we won't get to do what we want along the way, or that it will not be enjoyable.

If I was to interpret that line, denying ourselves means denying our sinful nature, as being moral is harder than being immoral. Picking up our cross is the challenge of staying moral all the time. Following him is, obviously, following his example.

1 Peter 2:11
11 Beloved, I urge you has sojourners and exiles ito abstain from the passions of the flesh, jwhich wage war against your soul.

1 Corinthians 9:27
27 But I discipline my body and ykeep it under control,2 lest after preaching to others zI myself should be disqualified.

Matthew 19:16–22
The Rich Young Man
16 iAnd behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to jhave keternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. lIf you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, m“You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, nYou shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to him, o“All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be pperfect, go, qsell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have rtreasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 sWhen the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Luke 9:23
Take Up Your Cross and Follow Jesus
23 And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him tdeny himself and utake up his cross vdaily and follow me.

[San Lumen]

That doesn't mean we won't get to do what we want along the way, or that it will not be enjoyable.

If I was to interpret that line, denying ourselves means denying our sinful nature, as being moral is harder than being immoral. Picking up our cross is the challenge of staying moral all the time. Following him is, obviously, following his example.

1 Peter 2:11
11 Beloved, I urge you has sojourners and exiles ito abstain from the passions of the flesh, jwhich wage war against your soul.

1 Corinthians 9:27
27 But I discipline my body and ykeep it under control,2 lest after preaching to others zI myself should be disqualified.

Matthew 19:16–22
The Rich Young Man
16 iAnd behold, a man came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do to jhave keternal life?” 17 And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? There is only one who is good. lIf you would enter life, keep the commandments.” 18 He said to him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said, m“You shall not murder, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, 19 Honor your father and mother, and, nYou shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 20 The young man said to him, o“All these I have kept. What do I still lack?” 21 Jesus said to him, “If you would be pperfect, go, qsell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have rtreasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” 22 sWhen the young man heard this he went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.

Luke 9:23
Take Up Your Cross and Follow Jesus
23 And he said to all, “If anyone would come after me, let him tdeny himself and utake up his cross vdaily and follow me.

And where in the New Testament does it say that homosexuality is wrong and they should no rights and not be able to adopt children?

[The Parkus Empire]

What's that got to do with it? You can legislate against prostitution, doesn't mean prostitutes are not equal under the law. Not having polygamy doesn't mean people with multiple partners aren't equal under the law.

Your the one who has called the civil rights act or anti discrimination laws unconstitutional.

Anti discrimination laws for private businesses are unconstitutional on a Federal level (because the Constitution does not give the Federal government authority to make such regulations) but not on a state level (since the Constitution doesn't contain a right to discriminate).

[San Lumen]

Your the one who has called the civil rights act or anti discrimination laws unconstitutional.

Anti discrimination laws for private businesses are unconstitutional on a Federal level (because the Constitution does not give the Federal government authority to make such regulations) but not on a state level (since the Constitution doesn't contain a right to discriminate).

There are a lot of current laws not explicitly mentioned in the constitution. Therefore anything not explicitly mentioned in the constitution ought to be repealed?

[United Muscovite Nations]

And where in the New Testament does it say that homosexuality is wrong and they should no rights and not be able to adopt children?

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

[The Parkus Empire]

Anti discrimination laws for private businesses are unconstitutional on a Federal level (because the Constitution does not give the Federal government authority to make such regulations) but not on a state level (since the Constitution doesn't contain a right to discriminate).

There are a lot of current laws not explicitly mentioned in the constitution. Therefore anything not explicitly mentioned in the constitution ought to be repealed?

Nooo, because the Constitution allows Congress to make laws on the matters it says they can legislate upon.

[San Lumen]

There are a lot of current laws not explicitly mentioned in the constitution. Therefore anything not explicitly mentioned in the constitution ought to be repealed?

Nooo, because the Constitution allows Congress to make laws on the matters it says they can legislate upon.

Therefore how is the civil rights act unconstitutional?

[San Lumen]

And where in the New Testament does it say that homosexuality is wrong and they should no rights and not be able to adopt children?

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

So why G-d create people who are condemned from the moment they are born? I did not choose to be gay.

[The South Falls]

And where in the New Testament does it say that homosexuality is wrong and they should no rights and not be able to adopt children?

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

However, we're not a theocratic state, and that bible doesn't have to be the source of all laws.

[United Muscovite Nations]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

So why G-d create people who are condemned from the moment they are born? I did not choose to be gay.

Being homosexual =/= practicing homosexuality.

[The South Falls]

So why G-d create people who are condemned from the moment they are born? I did not choose to be gay.

Being homosexual =/= practicing homosexuality.

Are they then not allowed to love?

[United Muscovite Nations]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

However, we're not a theocratic state, and that bible doesn't have to be the source of all laws.

I know, but we're not arguing about that, we're arguing about the ascetic nature of Christianity and how it relates to the Christian position on homosexuality.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Being homosexual =/= practicing homosexuality.

Are they then not allowed to love?

They are expected to either be celibate or marry someone of the opposite sex.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And where in the New Testament does it say that homosexuality is wrong and they should no rights and not be able to adopt children?

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Does that mean lesbians are ok in Christianity?

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

However, we're not a theocratic state, and that bible doesn't have to be the source of all laws.

For Christians, it should be.

[The Parkus Empire]

Nooo, because the Constitution allows Congress to make laws on the matters it says they can legislate upon.

Therefore how is the civil rights act unconstitutional?

It's not covered by any matter the Constitution gives Congress authority to legislate upon. It hinges on the right of Congress to make laws regulating commerce among the states, but looking at the Federalist Papers, "among the states" means between the states, i.e. interstate commerce. Congress has authority to make laws regulating commerce with other countries and between the states (or else states might tariff each other or make individual trade agreements with foreign nations), but not to regulate any and all commercial activity nationwide.

[San Lumen]

Are they then not allowed to love?

They are expected to either be celibate or marry someone of the opposite sex.

So therefore I should marry someone I don’t love and never have a family of my own?

[The South Falls]

However, we're not a theocratic state, and that bible doesn't have to be the source of all laws.

I know, but we're not arguing about that, we're arguing about the ascetic nature of Christianity and how it relates to the Christian position on homosexuality.

Oh, whoops. I misread the OP then. Anyway, yea. Christianity is ascetic to an insane degree and going off of "what was the norm at the time, all else is wrong".

[The South Falls]

They are expected to either be celibate or marry someone of the opposite sex.

So therefore I should marry someone I don’t love and never have a family of my own?

Basically, yes. Or, you could be celibate, which doesn't really help that "you want to love who you love" bit.

[The Parkus Empire]

They are expected to either be celibate or marry someone of the opposite sex.

So therefore I should marry someone I don’t love and never have a family of my own?

>gays want to steal our women
The merchant has gone too far this time

[Khasinkonia]

So therefore I should marry someone I don’t love and never have a family of my own?

Basically, yes. Or, you could be celibate, which doesn't really help that "you want to love who you love" bit.

Or you could always join the Episcopal church and marry any person(singular, we do not endorse polyamory) you desire so long as they wish to as well.

#totallynotapriestkidshamelesslyadvertising

[United Muscovite Nations]

They are expected to either be celibate or marry someone of the opposite sex.

So therefore I should marry someone I don’t love and never have a family of my own?

No, homosexuals should only marry someone of the opposite sex if they love them. Love doesn't require sexual attraction, and many homosexual men can attest to this.