Religion and the LGBTQ community.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

what business should be allowed to discriminate in your view?

I. Just. Told. You

Anyone who does not provide a service essential to one's survival. So hotels are a no, because shelter is another basic human need and if you're visiting another city or a state where none of your friends or family live to provide you with a place to stay during your visit, you obviously need shelter.

I'd argue only services which are provided in a case-by-case basis, such as private clubs and commission-based services, should be able to discriminate.

Why should homosexuality be?

Maybe you should practice what you preach and not try to legislate your personal morals.

Homosexuality isn't a choice its who you are. I am not trying to legislate my morals.

TBF the entire point of Christianity is fighting who you are.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Homosexuality isn't a choice its who you are. I am not trying to legislate my morals.

Debatable.

I believe it's a mix of nature and nurture. Genetics play a role, but so does society

So basically “genetics plays a role, but if I oppress it hard enough it won’t surface”

[Khasinkonia]

I. Just. Told. You

I'd argue only services which are provided in a case-by-case basis, such as private clubs and commission-based services, should be able to discriminate.

Homosexuality isn't a choice its who you are. I am not trying to legislate my morals.

TBF the entire point of Christianity is fighting who you are.

If you think the main point of Christianity is fighting homosexuals then I sure as hell hope you don’t consider yourself one.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I'd argue only services which are provided in a case-by-case basis, such as private clubs and commission-based services, should be able to discriminate.

TBF the entire point of Christianity is fighting who you are.

If you think the main point of Christianity is fighting homosexuals then I sure as hell hope you don’t consider yourself one.

I'm unabashedly bi :^)

Fighting homosexuality is only one part of fighting who you are.

[Firaxin]

I'd argue only services which are provided in a case-by-case basis, such as private clubs and commission-based services, should be able to discriminate.

TBF the entire point of Christianity is fighting who you are.

If you think the main point of Christianity is fighting homosexuals then I sure as hell hope you don’t consider yourself one.

I think they meant fighting the sinful nature of all humans, not fighting the gays.

[The Free Joy State]

TBF the entire point of Christianity is fighting who you are.

It depends on your type of Christianity.

Not every brand of Christianity is about fighting who you are.

Well, I think they all say to fight any urges to steal and kill (not that I'm comparing the two -- I've just realised how that comes across), but those aren't actually genes. And, society says the same thing, so that's not religion making people so inclined fight it.

[San Lumen]

Homosexuality isn't a choice its who you are. I am not trying to legislate my morals.

Debatable.

I believe it's a mix of nature and nurture. Genetics play a role, but so does society

Its not debatable. It is not a choice.

[The South Falls]

Homosexuality isn't a choice its who you are. I am not trying to legislate my morals.

Debatable.

I believe it's a mix of nature and nurture. Genetics play a role, but so does society

I'd think that it's natural. Kings and Queens were gay and lesbian back in medieval times. One tried to be transgender. Christina XII of Sweden, I believe.

[Dylar]

Debatable.

I believe it's a mix of nature and nurture. Genetics play a role, but so does society

Its not debatable. It is not a choice.

When you were born, did you have an attraction to the same sex?

[United Muscovite Nations]

TBF the entire point of Christianity is fighting who you are.

It depends on your type of Christianity.

Not every brand of Christianity is about fighting who you are.

Well, I think they all say don't steal and don't kill, but those aren't actually genes. And, society says the same thing, so that's not religion making people so inclined fight it.

Nah, Christianity is absolutely contingent on a denial of self-desire and a practice of asceticism. This is firmly held in the Bible and tradition.

[San Lumen]

Its not debatable. It is not a choice.

When you were born, did you have an attraction to the same sex?

When your an infant your not thinking about attraction to others.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Its not debatable. It is not a choice.

When you were born, did you have an attraction to the same sex?

When you were born, did you have an attraction to the opposite sex?

[Dylar]

When you were born, did you have an attraction to the same sex?

When you were born, did you have an attraction to the opposite sex?

Nope.

[Vassenor]

Homosexuality isn't a choice its who you are. I am not trying to legislate my morals.

Debatable.

I believe it's a mix of nature and nurture. Genetics play a role, but so does society

So what is your evidence of this?

[The South Falls]

Its not debatable. It is not a choice.

When you were born, did you have an attraction to the same sex?

As Lumen said, infants are thinking about food and motherly love. Not attraction.

[Internationalist Bastard]

When you were born, did you have an attraction to the opposite sex?

Nope.

So why is your statement relevant?

[The Parkus Empire]

Why should homosexuality be?

Maybe you should practice what you preach and not try to legislate your personal morals.

Homosexuality isn't a choice its who you are. I am not trying to legislate my morals.

Whether or not it's a choice is irrelevant unless you think it being a choice would be grounds to legislate against it, or that nothing should be illegal if you don't have a choice in wanting to do it.

By saying discrimination isn't "ok", you mean "moral"

[The Free Joy State]

It depends on your type of Christianity.

Not every brand of Christianity is about fighting who you are.

Well, I think they all say don't steal and don't kill, but those aren't actually genes. And, society says the same thing, so that's not religion making people so inclined fight it.

Nah, Christianity is absolutely contingent on a denial of self-desire and a practice of asceticism. This is firmly held in the Bible and tradition.

Proverbs 17:22

A cheerful heart is good medicine,
but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.

And let's not forget Solomon's Song of Songs, which is all about the pleasure of sex.

Seems pretty clear that God is not opposed to our pleasure, and self-denial is not an essential part of being a Christian.

[The Parkus Empire]

Nah, Christianity is absolutely contingent on a denial of self-desire and a practice of asceticism. This is firmly held in the Bible and tradition.

Proverbs 17:22

A cheerful heart is good medicine,
but a crushed spirit dries up the bones.

And let's not forget Solomon's Song of Songs, which is all about the pleasure of sex.

Seems pretty clear that God is not opposed to our pleasure, and self-denial is not an essential part of being a Christian.

Jesus Christ said we must deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him.

[San Lumen]

Homosexuality isn't a choice its who you are. I am not trying to legislate my morals.

Whether or not it's a choice is irrelevant unless you think it being a choice would be grounds to legislate against it, or that nothing should be illegal if you don't have a choice in wanting to do it.

By saying discrimination isn't "ok", you mean "moral"

Everyone is equal under the law. Its called the 14th amendment.

[The South Falls]

Whether or not it's a choice is irrelevant unless you think it being a choice would be grounds to legislate against it, or that nothing should be illegal if you don't have a choice in wanting to do it.

By saying discrimination isn't "ok", you mean "moral"

Everyone is equal under the law. Its called the 14th amendment.

It seems to have been thrown out of the window with the "bathroom bills", and such. Maybe we should make it more specific.

[The Parkus Empire]

Whether or not it's a choice is irrelevant unless you think it being a choice would be grounds to legislate against it, or that nothing should be illegal if you don't have a choice in wanting to do it.

By saying discrimination isn't "ok", you mean "moral"

Everyone is equal under the law. Its called the 14th amendment.

What's that got to do with it? You can legislate against prostitution, doesn't mean prostitutes are not equal under the law. Not having polygamy doesn't mean people with multiple partners aren't equal under the law.

[Firaxin]

Proverbs 17:22



And let's not forget Solomon's Song of Songs, which is all about the pleasure of sex.

Seems pretty clear that God is not opposed to our pleasure, and self-denial is not an essential part of being a Christian.

Jesus Christ said we must deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him.

That doesn't mean we won't get to do what we want along the way, or that it will not be enjoyable.

If I was to interpret that line, denying ourselves means denying our sinful nature, as being moral is harder than being immoral. Picking up our cross is the challenge of staying moral all the time. Following him is, obviously, following his example.

[Dylar]

Whether or not it's a choice is irrelevant unless you think it being a choice would be grounds to legislate against it, or that nothing should be illegal if you don't have a choice in wanting to do it.

By saying discrimination isn't "ok", you mean "moral"

Everyone is equal under the law. Its called the 14th amendment.

Everyone has equal protection of the law, not under the law.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Meaning that a cop cannot arrest someone simply for being gay.

Otherwise the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" rule would be rendered unconstitutional.

[San Lumen]

Everyone is equal under the law. Its called the 14th amendment.

Everyone has equal protection of the law, not under the law.

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Meaning that a cop cannot arrest someone simply for being gay.

Otherwise the "No shirt, no shoes, no service" rule would be rendered unconstitutional.

That is different. That is not a race, religion or sexual orientation.