Religion and the LGBTQ community.

[Alvecia]

It is also worth noting that long before the modern LGBT movement began and the left began pretending to care about LGBT people, Leftists in the French Revolution and the Soviet Union were already attacking religion. Why should we suppose that the goals of current "progressives" are really that different?

How do you come to the conclusion that wanting LGBT people wanting equal rights is a attempt to destroy religion?

Equality, to the privileged, looks like oppression

[Internationalist Bastard]

It is also worth noting that long before the modern LGBT movement began and the left began pretending to care about LGBT people, Leftists in the French Revolution and the Soviet Union were already attacking religion. Why should we suppose that the goals of current "progressives" are really that different?

I’m trans(closeted irl) and bisexual and I’m not only an active member of my church, but the eldest child of the priest. I hold no ill feelings towards religion.

I’m trans and have spent time in a Buddhist cell, and intend to retire there
Many of us are religious, let alone the ones who are just ok with religion

[San Lumen]

I’m trans(closeted irl) and bisexual and I’m not only an active member of my church, but the eldest child of the priest. I hold no ill feelings towards religion.

That is alright. I am bisexual too. I just despise left-wing politicians who are trying to use us to advance their own ulterior purposes.

Well you are a minority then because one political party wants LGBT people to not have any rights.

[Khasinkonia]

I’m trans(closeted irl) and bisexual and I’m not only an active member of my church, but the eldest child of the priest. I hold no ill feelings towards religion.

That is alright. I am bisexual too. I just despise left-wing politicians who are trying to use us to advance their own ulterior purposes.

Right-wing Politicians often do the same with religion. Politicians in general are often a slimy bunch, so we usually just have to use their ulterior purposes for what we want.

[Vassenor]

So saying people cannot discriminate in refuse a public accommodation private commission is an attempt to destroy all religion?

FTFY

In what way was it a private commission and not the services of a public accommodation? And in what way is it still an attempt to destroy all religion?

[The New California Republic]

I’m trans(closeted irl) and bisexual and I’m not only an active member of my church, but the eldest child of the priest. I hold no ill feelings towards religion.

That is alright. I am bisexual too. I just despise left-wing politicians who are trying to use us to advance their own ulterior purposes.

Well please don't. Claiming that there is some Leftist-LGBT conspiracy against religion just makes us all look bad.

[Bienenhalde]

That is alright. I am bisexual too. I just despise left-wing politicians who are trying to use us to advance their own ulterior purposes.

Well please don't. Claiming that there is some Leftist-LGBT conspiracy against religion just makes us all look bad.

Leftist anti-religion politicians using LGBT people for their own agenda is what makes us look bad. Don't shoot the messenger.

[San Lumen]

Well please don't. Claiming that there is some Leftist-LGBT conspiracy against religion just makes us all look bad.

Leftist anti-religion politicians using LGBT people for their own agenda is what makes us look bad. Don't shoot the messenger.

Please explain how

[Minzerland II]

I expect Catholic numbers would be lower if it only included practicing Catholics

#notruescotsman

Yes. It is very hard to believe people who forego the teachings of the RCC are actual Catholics. Very difficult indeed; even if I am called not to judge! This is especially the case after reading that, in America at least, 15% of Catholics say God is not essential to their Christian identity, according to Pew. This is only compounded by the concerning statistics in this thread, courtesy of Free Joy States, and my own experiences with other 'Catholics' in my diocese and community.

[The New California Republic]

Well please don't. Claiming that there is some Leftist-LGBT conspiracy against religion just makes us all look bad.

Leftist anti-religion politicians using LGBT people for their own agenda is what makes us look bad. Don't shoot the messenger.

The problem is that in this case the messenger is bringing a totally false message, as you have not given a shred of evidence to substantiate that such a thing is going on.

[Dylar]

FTFY

In what way was it a private commission and not the services of a public accommodation? And in what way is it still an attempt to destroy all religion?

He's making a cake from scratch. A cake which the couple wanted a certain design for and not some pre-made basic wedding cake. Now, is it destroying all religion? No. But, from where I sit, it looks as if it's an attack on Christianity because of the fact that the baker did not want to bake a cake for a gay wedding and people are freaking out about it.

[The Free Joy State]

#notruescotsman

Yes. It is very hard to believe people who forego the teachings of the RCC are actual Catholics. Very difficult indeed; even if I am called not to judge! This is especially the case after reading that, in America at least, 15% of Catholics say God is not essential to their Christian identity, according to Pew. This is only compounded by the concerning statistics in this thread, courtesy of Free Joy States, and my own experiences with other Catholics.

It was actually Parkus who provided the stats about Catholicism in the Netherlands. I just linked to the source.

[San Lumen]

In what way was it a private commission and not the services of a public accommodation? And in what way is it still an attempt to destroy all religion?

He's making a cake from scratch. A cake which the couple wanted a certain design for and not some pre-made basic wedding cake. Now, is it destroying all religion? No. But, from where I sit, it looks as if it's an attack on Christianity because of the fact that the baker did not want to bake a cake for a gay wedding and people are freaking out about it.

Ok if a racist believes that baking a cake for a interracial marriage violates their beliefs should they be allowed to refuse service?

[Dylar]

He's making a cake from scratch. A cake which the couple wanted a certain design for and not some pre-made basic wedding cake. Now, is it destroying all religion? No. But, from where I sit, it looks as if it's an attack on Christianity because of the fact that the baker did not want to bake a cake for a gay wedding and people are freaking out about it.

Ok if a racist believes that baking a cake for a interracial marriage violates their beliefs should they be allowed to refuse service?

Sure. Not baking a cake isn't going to hurt the interracial couple in the slightest. Quick question for you, actually: Is a wedding cake an essential service necessary for one's survival?

[San Lumen]

Ok if a racist believes that baking a cake for a interracial marriage violates their beliefs should they be allowed to refuse service?

Sure. Not baking a cake isn't going to hurt the interracial couple in the slightest. Quick question for you, actually: Is a wedding cake an essential service necessary for one's survival?

No it isn't but why should discrimination be ok?

[Minzerland II]

Yes. It is very hard to believe people who forego the teachings of the RCC are actual Catholics. Very difficult indeed; even if I am called not to judge! This is especially the case after reading that, in America at least, 15% of Catholics say God is not essential to their Christian identity, according to Pew. This is only compounded by the concerning statistics in this thread, courtesy of Free Joy States, and my own experiences with other Catholics.

It was actually Parkus who provided the stats about Catholicism in the Netherlands. I just linked to the source.

I meant the statistics concerning the LGBTQI+ people.

EDIT: Although that would be concerning too.

[Vassenor]

Ok if a racist believes that baking a cake for a interracial marriage violates their beliefs should they be allowed to refuse service?

Sure. Not baking a cake isn't going to hurt the interracial couple in the slightest. Quick question for you, actually: Is a wedding cake an essential service necessary for one's survival?

Is having to bake a wedding cake going to cause the complete and total destruction of your religion?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Sure. Not baking a cake isn't going to hurt the interracial couple in the slightest. Quick question for you, actually: Is a wedding cake an essential service necessary for one's survival?

Is having to bake a wedding cake going to cause the complete and total destruction of your religion?

Is not baking it going to or something?

[Dylar]

Sure. Not baking a cake isn't going to hurt the interracial couple in the slightest. Quick question for you, actually: Is a wedding cake an essential service necessary for one's survival?

Is having to bake a wedding cake going to cause the complete and total destruction of your religion?

No, but forcing the baker to bake a cake for a wedding that he totally disagrees with will, in the end, start forcing other Christians who own commission-based businesses to attend other events that they are vehemently against. An example would be a Black Mass (Satanic version of the Mass where they desecrate the Body of Christ). Would you force a Christian photographer to attend a Black Mass to take pictures despite the fact that he is attending something that goes against everything he believes in?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Results are misleading globally speaking because the poll is only in the US.

The numbers aren't so much different to Britain (it's on page 17):

Not surprisingly, religious belief is closely linked to attitudes to homosexuality. Those who aren’t religious are the least likely to see it as always or mostly wrong, only 16 per cent do so. This compares to disapproval rates of over a third among Anglicans (40 per cent) and Catholics (35 per cent). The highest disapproval of all is found among non-Christians, six in ten (61 per cent) of whom see homosexuality as always or mostly wrong (although these figures need to be treated with caution due to the small sample sizes involved).

Bearing in mind they didn't break down the types of Anglican (Evangelical, vs. Mainline and so on -- meaning that the 36% acceptance rate of Evangelicals got lumped in with the 66% acceptance rate of Mainline Protestants), and there's only a 5% difference on Catholics, I'd say the figures for Pew are pretty accurate, on the Christian faiths.

Britain isn't very representative of the world's population either.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Sure. Not baking a cake isn't going to hurt the interracial couple in the slightest. Quick question for you, actually: Is a wedding cake an essential service necessary for one's survival?

No it isn't but why should discrimination be ok?

Personal discrimination for non-essential goods shouldn't be a legal issue. It doesn't harm anyone, and it's debatable whether it's even morally wrong.

[San Lumen]

Is having to bake a wedding cake going to cause the complete and total destruction of your religion?

No, but forcing the baker to bake a cake for a wedding that he totally disagrees with will, in the end, start forcing other Christians who own commission-based businesses to attend other events that they are vehemently against. An example would be a Black Mass (Satanic version of the Mass where they desecrate the Body of Christ). Would you force a Christian photographer to attend a Black Mass to take pictures despite the fact that he is attending something that goes against everything he believes in?

Having a business means you serve all or none at all unless your a private club. Would you be ok with a store or restaurant owner that had a policy of "Only heterosexual white people are allowed."?

[Vassenor]

Is having to bake a wedding cake going to cause the complete and total destruction of your religion?

No, but forcing the baker to bake a cake for a wedding that he totally disagrees with will, in the end, start forcing other Christians who own commission-based businesses to attend other events that they are vehemently against. An example would be a Black Mass (Satanic version of the Mass where they desecrate the Body of Christ). Would you force a Christian photographer to attend a Black Mass to take pictures despite the fact that he is attending something that goes against everything he believes in?

So how is it anti-theism?

[Dylar]

No, but forcing the baker to bake a cake for a wedding that he totally disagrees with will, in the end, start forcing other Christians who own commission-based businesses to attend other events that they are vehemently against. An example would be a Black Mass (Satanic version of the Mass where they desecrate the Body of Christ). Would you force a Christian photographer to attend a Black Mass to take pictures despite the fact that he is attending something that goes against everything he believes in?

Having a business means you serve all or none at all unless your a private club. Would you be ok with a store or restaurant owner that had a policy of "Only heterosexual white people are allowed."?

Really? Then please do give my dad a call and try to explain to him that he needs to be forced to take pictures for weddings despite the fact he doesn't want to take wedding pictures and instead wants to focus on cosplay photography.

I'd be fine with a restaurant discriminating against heterosexual people. Plenty of other restaurants in the city to go to anyway. As for a store, they wouldn't be able to do that as they provide services that are essential to my survival such as food, water, and clothing. Furthermore, your argument is a strawman as a restaurant and a grocery store aren't commission-based services. A bakery and a photography studio are commissioned-base services and as such, can choose what commissions they can accept.

[San Lumen]

Having a business means you serve all or none at all unless your a private club. Would you be ok with a store or restaurant owner that had a policy of "Only heterosexual white people are allowed."?

Really? Then please do give my dad a call and try to explain to him that he needs to be forced to take pictures for weddings despite the fact he doesn't want to take wedding pictures and instead wants to focus on cosplay photography.

I'd be fine with a restaurant discriminating against heterosexual people. Plenty of other restaurants in the city to go to anyway. As for a store, they wouldn't be able to do that as they provide services that are essential to my survival such as food, water, and clothing. Furthermore, your argument is a strawman as a restaurant and a grocery store aren't commission-based services. A bakery and a photography studio are commissioned-base services and as such, can choose what commissions they can accept.

If a bakery said Only whites allowed you'd be perfectly fine with it?