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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:38 am

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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:WTF, only the extreme left supports that because... SJWs. We don't get any of that shit here in the UK.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... edirect=on

You see left wing judges support that here.

What about just building a new one?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:39 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/ ... edirect=on

You see left wing judges support that here.

What about just building a new one?

Why?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:45 am

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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:The left supports state secularism, which is that the government is impartial on religion and not influenced by any one religion. What is wrong with that?

Ordering a town to tear down their memorial from WWI because it's a cross? You see nothing wrong with that?


[citation needed]

Or you know, you could try not posting fake news.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:47 am

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Petrolheadia wrote:What about just building a new one?

Why?


Because that was literally the argument - that religious symbolism on public land was unconstitutional and should be replaced with a non-religious memorial to the same thing.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:48 am

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Petrolheadia wrote:What about just building a new one?

Why?

Well, because there is a fair chunk of people who want a new one.

Let's make a referendum and see where the voters stand. I think they'll just keep the cross, but whatever they want.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:51 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Ordering a town to tear down their memorial from WWI because it's a cross? You see nothing wrong with that?


[citation needed]

Or you know, you could try not posting fake news.

Are you saying the Washington Post is fake news?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:52 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Why?

Well, because there is a fair chunk of people who want a new one.

Let's make a referendum and see where the voters stand. I think they'll just keep the cross, but whatever they want.

That city is currently trying to protect the cross from a Federal ruling
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:52 am

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Are you saying the Washington Post is fake news?


I am saying you are misrepresenting what they reported. Such as the deliberate omission of the "replace it with a secular memorial to the same thing" bit.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:53 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:Why?


Because that was literally the argument - that religious symbolism on public land was unconstitutional and should be replaced with a non-religious memorial to the same thing.

How is it unconstitutional? Do we also have to get rid of crosses in veterans' graveyards?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:54 am

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Vassenor wrote:
Because that was literally the argument - that religious symbolism on public land was unconstitutional and should be replaced with a non-religious memorial to the same thing.

How is it unconstitutional? Do we also have get rid of crosses in graveyards?


Are graveyards publicly owned land?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:58 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:How is it unconstitutional? Do we also have get rid of crosses in graveyards?


Are graveyards publicly owned land?


Veteran graveyards are
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:58 am

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Are graveyards publicly owned land?


Veteran graveyards are

But they're still more of personal than public monuments.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:00 am

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Veteran graveyards are

But they're still more of personal than public monuments.

The monument here is to specific soldiers who died.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:00 am

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Vassenor wrote:
Are graveyards publicly owned land?


Veteran graveyards are


Not seeing a whole lot of crosses.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:06 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
Veteran graveyards are


Not seeing a whole lot of crosses.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:07 am

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Petrolheadia wrote:But they're still more of personal than public monuments.

The monument here is to specific soldiers who died.

Were they all Christians?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:10 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:The monument here is to specific soldiers who died.

Were they all Christians?

Court doesn't care
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Postby United Imperial Systems » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:12 am

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Petrolheadia wrote:Were they all Christians?

Court doesn't care

Can you stop dodging questions?
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:15 am



Except those emblems cover more than just Christians.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:15 am

United Imperial Systems wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Court doesn't care

Can you stop dodging questions?

That's not actually a dodge, it's a I-don't-know-because-it's-considered-irrelevant-to-the-case
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:18 am


Uh, so your opposition is not to religious symbols on public land, just Christian symbols?
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Postby Aellex » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:24 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:Uh, so your opposition is not to religious symbols on public land, just Christian symbols?

Are you surprised? Vass hate-boner for Christianity is somewhat infamous.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:27 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:

Uh, so your opposition is not to religious symbols on public land, just Christian symbols?

None or all, I believe is the point they're skirting around
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:58 am

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Uh, so your opposition is not to religious symbols on public land, just Christian symbols?

No, to explictly religious symbols.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:05 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Uh, so your opposition is not to religious symbols on public land, just Christian symbols?

No, to explictly religious symbols.

For war memorials, I don't see why a cross is more respectful to the dead than a statue or cenotaph.

More people gave their lives to previous wars than Christians, including Hindus, Jewish people and Sikhs. It diminishes their sacrifice for them all to be buried under the cross, implying to casual onlookers that only Christians gave their lives.

But I think this might be off-topic.
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