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Geneviev
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:41 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:No, that is not what it said. God was once like us does not mean God was a person who became God to then proceed to become a person again to save people to then become God again. It means God was God and then became a person to save people and then went back to heaven.

Then why does he say that God is an exalted man, rather than God who took on a human nature, which is the correct way to word the incarnation.

Philippians 2:9.
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Postby Halmund » Tue May 29, 2018 6:41 pm

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No, but last I checked, I don’t worship the Holy Ghost. I don’t pray to the Holy Ghost. My prayer goes, “Out dear, kind, gracious Heavenly Father... *insert prayer here*.

It does not go “our dear kind gracious Holy Ghost.”

If you don't accept the Holy Spirit as being one with the Godhead, I cannot consider you a Christian in good faith.


I’m doing my best to talk without my words being twisted. I’m by no means a scholar. I’m a fat boy for hell’s sake. I’m doing my best to explain my beliefs so please, please, stop twisting the words. He is indeed part of the Godhead. Article of Faith 1: We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in his son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. He is part of the Godgead. Our religion is not base around worshipping him, (I know “him” is probably improper, but I don’t know how better to say it.) he is what we are referring to when we say “feeling the spirit. He is the spirit felt.

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Postby Herskerstad » Tue May 29, 2018 6:41 pm

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A primary attribute of Christianity is being monotheistic. Mormonism is polytheistic.

Having experience with Mormonism... no.


Your experience does not substitute mormon theology.
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Postby Reikoku » Tue May 29, 2018 6:42 pm

Halmund wrote:You might look up the story of Korihor, you’d be able to draw a lot of parallels to yourself.


Korihor, the anti-Christ, ridicules Christ, the Atonement, and the spirit of prophecy—He teaches that there is no God, no fall of man, no penalty for sin, and no Christ—


Normally I would be flattered to be called an Anti-Christ, but in this case, it really doesn't apply.
Halmund wrote:This was a description of God’s likeness to man, as opposed to saying he is man.


God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man,


Its as plain as it needs to be.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:42 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Having experience with Mormonism... no.


Your experience does not substitute mormon theology.

If you were to read everything else, I am actually defending my views rather than just saying I know because I lived it.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 6:43 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Then why does he say that God is an exalted man, rather than God who took on a human nature, which is the correct way to word the incarnation.

Philippians 2:9.

Read the whole passage:

In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,

he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

Christ was God before He was man. he was God who made Himself man to be humbled, and exalted the human nature by taking it on.
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Postby Halmund » Tue May 29, 2018 6:44 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Halmund wrote:You might look up the story of Korihor, you’d be able to draw a lot of parallels to yourself.


Korihor, the anti-Christ, ridicules Christ, the Atonement, and the spirit of prophecy—He teaches that there is no God, no fall of man, no penalty for sin, and no Christ—


Normally I would be flattered to be called an Anti-Christ, but in this case, it really doesn't apply.
Halmund wrote:This was a description of God’s likeness to man, as opposed to saying he is man.


God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man,


Its as plain as it needs to be.


“Once as we are now.” Referring to the First Vision, in which god came down to Joseph as we are now.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:44 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Philippians 2:9.

Read the whole passage:

In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,

he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

Christ was God before He was man. he was God who made Himself man to be humbled, and exalted the human nature by taking it on.

Yes. God was God, became human to save humans, then went back to being God. Exactly.
"Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins." 1 Peter 4:8

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 6:44 pm

Halmund wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If you don't accept the Holy Spirit as being one with the Godhead, I cannot consider you a Christian in good faith.


I’m doing my best to talk without my words being twisted. I’m by no means a scholar. I’m a fat boy for hell’s sake. I’m doing my best to explain my beliefs so please, please, stop twisting the words. He is indeed part of the Godhead. Article of Faith 1: We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in his son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. He is part of the Godgead. Our religion is not base around worshipping him, (I know “him” is probably improper, but I don’t know how better to say it.) he is what we are referring to when we say “feeling the spirit. He is the spirit felt.

I'm saying it is necessary to consider the Holy Spirit to be God, as well as the Son to be God, as well as the Father to be God. They were one being, consubstantial.
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Neo Confederate States
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Postby Neo Confederate States » Tue May 29, 2018 6:44 pm

When it comes to this subject there is one verse from the Bible that should be kept in mind "Thou shalt not lie with a man, as with a woman: this is an abomination" - Leviticus 18:22.

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Postby Halmund » Tue May 29, 2018 6:45 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Halmund wrote:
I’m doing my best to talk without my words being twisted. I’m by no means a scholar. I’m a fat boy for hell’s sake. I’m doing my best to explain my beliefs so please, please, stop twisting the words. He is indeed part of the Godhead. Article of Faith 1: We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in his son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. He is part of the Godgead. Our religion is not base around worshipping him, (I know “him” is probably improper, but I don’t know how better to say it.) he is what we are referring to when we say “feeling the spirit. He is the spirit felt.

I'm saying it is necessary to consider the Holy Spirit to be God, as well as the Son to be God, as well as the Father to be God. They were one being, consubstantial.

That would be your belief.

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 29, 2018 6:45 pm

The Ozark Frontier wrote:Awe, Don’t worry! We are all Sinners in the End, No one person is better than Another, and no one person is worse than another in God’s eyes.~


Yes, and it is so nice to know that rapists and philanthropists are all just the same where it counts.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 6:45 pm

Neo Confederate States wrote:When it comes to this subject there is one verse from the Bible that should be kept in mind "Thou shalt not lie with a man, as with a woman: this is an abomination" - Leviticus 18:22.

Genuine question: does the Bible ever mention woman/woman?

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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:45 pm

Neo Confederate States wrote:When it comes to this subject there is one verse from the Bible that should be kept in mind "Thou shalt not lie with a man, as with a woman: this is an abomination" - Leviticus 18:22.

I would like to add the most important law, according to Jesus:
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbour as yourself.
"Above all, keep loving one another earnestly, since love covers a multitude of sins." 1 Peter 4:8

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 6:46 pm

Geneviev wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Read the whole passage:

In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature[b] of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,

he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

Christ was God before He was man. he was God who made Himself man to be humbled, and exalted the human nature by taking it on.

Yes. God was God, became human to save humans, then went back to being God. Exactly.

Then why does Mormonism teach that God the Father has a body of flesh and bone?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 29, 2018 6:47 pm

Halmund wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I'm saying it is necessary to consider the Holy Spirit to be God, as well as the Son to be God, as well as the Father to be God. They were one being, consubstantial.

That would be your belief.

That is what the Christian faith believes as decided at the Council of Nicea and reaffirmed at the Council of Constantinople.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 29, 2018 6:48 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Neo Confederate States wrote:When it comes to this subject there is one verse from the Bible that should be kept in mind "Thou shalt not lie with a man, as with a woman: this is an abomination" - Leviticus 18:22.

Genuine question: does the Bible ever mention woman/woman?


Mind you that I am in the company of Ezra Brooks and the contents of my stomach have recently decorated my door, but Romans 1:26:27 references women indulging in unnatural lusts in the same breath as condemning men for doing the same. I don't know of another passage begin as specific.
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Postby Herskerstad » Tue May 29, 2018 6:49 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
Your experience does not substitute mormon theology.

If you were to read everything else, I am actually defending my views rather than just saying I know because I lived it.


Then you would likely know these statements from Brigham Young.

How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds, and when men were not passing through the same ordeals [mortality] that we are now passing through. That course has been from all eternity, and it is and will be to all eternity.


Every earth has its redeemer, and every earth has its tempter; and every earth, and the people thereof, in their turn and time, receive all that we receive, and pass through all the ordeals that we are passing through.


Although Mormonism does not like the word polytheism because it too closely reflects a pagan worldview, there is no doubt that Latter-day Saints believe in the eternal reality of a plurality of gods.


It is LDS doctrine that humans are God in embryo form and can attain Godhood through perfection of the law. While it is true that Mormons are only to focus on three Godly entities in their theology, that there is a plurality of God's, and that the God of this world was once a man, is not really contested.
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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 6:49 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
The Ozark Frontier wrote:Awe, Don’t worry! We are all Sinners in the End, No one person is better than Another, and no one person is worse than another in God’s eyes.~


Yes, and it is so nice to know that rapists and philanthropists are all just the same where it counts.

It is a Sad Truth, Yes. But, Nontheless I do belive God will punish the Wrong doers in due time. But until then, I want to spread the love and kindness of Jesus Christ to the People of the world, Hopefully that others might follow suit!~ :lol:
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Postby Neo Confederate States » Tue May 29, 2018 6:50 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Neo Confederate States wrote:When it comes to this subject there is one verse from the Bible that should be kept in mind "Thou shalt not lie with a man, as with a woman: this is an abomination" - Leviticus 18:22.

Genuine question: does the Bible ever mention woman/woman?


Most laws that apply to men also apply to women.

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Postby The Ozark Frontier » Tue May 29, 2018 6:51 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Neo Confederate States wrote:When it comes to this subject there is one verse from the Bible that should be kept in mind "Thou shalt not lie with a man, as with a woman: this is an abomination" - Leviticus 18:22.

I would like to add the most important law, according to Jesus:
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbour as yourself.

Yuuup!~ :lol:
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Postby Geneviev » Tue May 29, 2018 6:59 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
Geneviev wrote:If you were to read everything else, I am actually defending my views rather than just saying I know because I lived it.


Then you would likely know these statements from Brigham Young.

How many Gods there are, I do not know. But there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds, and when men were not passing through the same ordeals [mortality] that we are now passing through. That course has been from all eternity, and it is and will be to all eternity.


Every earth has its redeemer, and every earth has its tempter; and every earth, and the people thereof, in their turn and time, receive all that we receive, and pass through all the ordeals that we are passing through.


Although Mormonism does not like the word polytheism because it too closely reflects a pagan worldview, there is no doubt that Latter-day Saints believe in the eternal reality of a plurality of gods.


It is LDS doctrine that humans are God in embryo form and can attain Godhood through perfection of the law. While it is true that Mormons are only to focus on three Godly entities in their theology, that there is a plurality of God's, and that the God of this world was once a man, is not really contested.

That is not something I was taught. The Trinity I was taught.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue May 29, 2018 6:59 pm

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Your source was for American Christians alone. My source was worldwide.

Your source was based on nation rather than religion.


It was based on Muslims from those nations, you understand how that works yes?
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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue May 29, 2018 7:01 pm

Geneviev wrote:
The Ozark Frontier wrote:Litterally Jesus saying Love Thy Neighbor as thy self?

Have you never heard of the Curse of Ham?


The Curse of Ham was meant to explain God's destruction of the Canaanites. It did not have to do with Africans.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 29, 2018 7:02 pm

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Geneviev wrote:Having experience with Mormonism... no.


Your experience does not substitute mormon theology.

Mormonism is not polytheistic.
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