Religion and the LGBTQ community.

[Dylar]

Wait, aren't you Catholic?

Yes.

Ok. Now, I know that the Church doesn't have an official teaching on creation, but I never thought I'd meet a YEC Catholic.

[Diopolis]

Yes.

Ok. Now, I know that the Church doesn't have an official teaching on creation, but I never thought I'd meet a YEC Catholic.

We're pretty common. Most of the hierarchs are old-earth creationists(as a practical matter, intelligent design is just OEC that calls itself evolution), but more conservative clerics are YECs a bit more commonly.

[Zone 71]

No mainstream church supports conversion therapy, and almost none have in the last 80 years.

The Church has maintained the toxic idea that homosexuality is a "choice" that can be cured. And, to my knowledge, there are still several conversion therapies that work under Christian beliefs, many of which still employ tortuous "remedies" and conditions.

[Auze]

No mainstream church supports conversion therapy, and almost none have in the last 80 years.

The Church has maintained the toxic idea that homosexuality is a "choice" that can be cured. And, to my knowledge, there are still several conversion therapies that work under Christian beliefs, many of which still employ tortuous "remedies" and conditions.

What church? I said mainstream, not those weird Fundie or Evangelist churches.

[Zone 71]

The Church has maintained the toxic idea that homosexuality is a "choice" that can be cured. And, to my knowledge, there are still several conversion therapies that work under Christian beliefs, many of which still employ tortuous "remedies" and conditions.

What church? I said mainstream, not those weird Fundie or Evangelist churches.

As I said before, I am generally referring to Christianity.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Mormon Wars II: Electric Boogaloo on the CDT when?

Actually, it would be Mormon Wars III... or maybe IV. Anyways, not until we get a sizable number of Non-Trinitarians to make it a fair fight.

Pffft. Did being outnumbered ever stop the Mormons? No! You'll get your Free Nation of Deseret, complete with polytheism, no matter what!

[Sahansahiye Iran]

The Church has maintained the toxic idea that homosexuality is a "choice" that can be cured. And, to my knowledge, there are still several conversion therapies that work under Christian beliefs, many of which still employ tortuous "remedies" and conditions.

What church? I said mainstream, not those weird Fundie or Evangelist churches.

Evangelical Christians make up a quarter of all Christians worldwide. That's not mainstream?

[Sinistre Villeins]

In my religion (Norse/Germanic polytheist revivalism), gender-transgressive behavior was historically very stigmatized, but also associated with gods and sorcerers. Effeminate men were viewed as weak and cowardly in the rugged warrior overculture of Viking Age Scandinavia, but also viewed as potentially holding immense and even frightening mystical power. Additionally, the standards of masculinity were closer to ancient Rome than the Bible Belt - gay sex was viewed as kind of a power struggle, which brought honor to the insertive partner and shame to the receptive partner.

As for Christianity, that's a whole nother sack of potatoes... The Levitical law pretty clearly bans it, but there are also homoerotic stories and images elsewhere in the Bible - David & Jonathan's love, which "surpassed the love of women", has inspired gay & bisexual artists since the Italian Renaissance. Modern textual criticism clearly shows that the Bible is not a unified book with a unified viewpoint, no matter how much that may disturb traditionalists. (In fact, the social phenomenon of fundamentalism sprung up specifically in opposition to modernist textual scholarship.)

[Dylar]

What church? I said mainstream, not those weird Fundie or Evangelist churches.

As I said before, I am generally referring to Christianity.

To which we must reiterate: which church?

Because Christianity in general can refer to the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, or Protestant churches such as but not limited to: the Lutheran Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, or Anglican Church

[Sahansahiye Iran]

As I said before, I am generally referring to Christianity.

To which we must reiterate: which church?

Because Christianity in general can refer to the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, or Protestant churches such as but not limited to: the Lutheran Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, or Anglican Church

As a Catholic and acceptor of the Nicene Creed, shouldn't you hold that there is only one church?

[Zone 71]

As I said before, I am generally referring to Christianity.

To which we must reiterate: which church?

Because Christianity in general can refer to the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, or Protestant churches such as but not limited to: the Lutheran Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, or Anglican Church

And again, I am not referring to a specific religion. I'm referring to all religions that adhere to the Bible's texts.

[Auze]

To which we must reiterate: which church?

Because Christianity in general can refer to the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, or Protestant churches such as but not limited to: the Lutheran Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, or Anglican Church

And again, I am not referring to a specific religion. I'm referring to all religions that adhere to the Bible's texts.

Then you are extremely incorrect.

[Diopolis]

To which we must reiterate: which church?

Because Christianity in general can refer to the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, or Protestant churches such as but not limited to: the Lutheran Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, or Anglican Church

And again, I am not referring to a specific religion. I'm referring to all religions that adhere to the Bible's texts.

And again, you're making an accusation that does not apply to most Christian churches.

[Dylar]

To which we must reiterate: which church?

Because Christianity in general can refer to the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, or Protestant churches such as but not limited to: the Lutheran Church, Baptist Church, Methodist Church, or Anglican Church

As a Catholic and acceptor of the Nicene Creed, shouldn't you hold that there is only one church?

Yes, but I'm just trying to make it easier for non-Christians to understand.

[Zone 71]

And again, I am not referring to a specific religion. I'm referring to all religions that adhere to the Bible's texts.

Then you are extremely incorrect.

Why? Are you suggesting that conversion therapy has absolutely no relevance to the Bible and Christianity, because if you are, that's a joke.

[Diopolis]

Then you are extremely incorrect.

Why? Are you suggesting that conversion therapy has absolutely no relevance to the Bible and Christianity, because if you are, that's a joke.

The bible rather implies that homosexual inclinations are irrelevant. Only sexual acts between two men are specifically condemned; most theologians believe lesbianism was implied to be sinful at several points.

[Eranshahir]

I consider myself a very devout and religious person but I have no problem with homosexuality. I'm bisexual myself and my faith has no strict prohibitions on homosexuality like the Abrahamic religions.

It must be said that I'm not 100% up to speed on the teachings of Zoroastrianism.

In Zoroastrianism, we teach that homosexuality is druj - the embodiment of evil and pollution or a falsehood. It is a physical manifestation of Angra Mainyu.

That being said, a lot of Reformist Zoroastrians just ignore this teaching (in fact, they ignore the entire Vendidad which is where homosexuality is listed as druj which is like a Christian just removing the entire New Testament and only using the Old Testament).

[United Muscovite Nations]

Then you are extremely incorrect.

Why? Are you suggesting that conversion therapy has absolutely no relevance to the Bible and Christianity, because if you are, that's a joke.

Only a tiny minority of churches practice conversion therapy, and conversion therapy has nothing to do with the Bible.

[Dylar]

Then you are extremely incorrect.

Why? Are you suggesting that conversion therapy has absolutely no relevance to the Bible and Christianity, because if you are, that's a joke.

It doesn't have any relevance in the Bible. Because, as you've pointed out, it is abusive, and it attempts to make gays straight by exposing them to pornography which is a huge no no in a lot of Christian denominations. Remember when Christ says that whoever looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery in their heart?

[Diopolis]

Why? Are you suggesting that conversion therapy has absolutely no relevance to the Bible and Christianity, because if you are, that's a joke.

Only a tiny minority of churches practice conversion therapy, and conversion therapy has nothing to do with the Bible.

Depends on how you define conversion therapy.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

It must be said that I'm not 100% up to speed on the teachings of Zoroastrianism.

In Zoroastrianism, we teach that homosexuality is druj - the embodiment of evil and pollution or a falsehood. It is a physical manifestation of Angra Mainyu.

That being said, a lot of Reformist Zoroastrians just ignore this teaching (in fact, they ignore the entire Vendidad which is where homosexuality is listed as druj which is like a Christian just removing the entire New Testament and only using the Old Testament).

Large parts of the Vendidad are a corruption of Zarathustra's original teachings that was written 700 years after his death.

[Zone 71]

Why? Are you suggesting that conversion therapy has absolutely no relevance to the Bible and Christianity, because if you are, that's a joke.

It doesn't have any relevance in the Bible. Because, as you've pointed out, it is abusive, and it attempts to make gays straight by exposing them to pornography which is a huge no no in a lot of Christian denominations. Remember when Christ says that whoever looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery in their heart?

And remember when the Bible said that, when a man lies with a man as he would a woman, he should be put to death?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

It must be said that I'm not 100% up to speed on the teachings of Zoroastrianism.

In Zoroastrianism, we teach that homosexuality is druj - the embodiment of evil and pollution or a falsehood. It is a physical manifestation of Angra Mainyu.

That being said, a lot of Reformist Zoroastrians just ignore this teaching (in fact, they ignore the entire Vendidad which is where homosexuality is listed as druj which is like a Christian just removing the entire New Testament and only using the Old Testament).

Just saw your edit. No, it is not like a Christian rejecting the New Testament. It's like a Muslim rejecting the ahadith for the mostly fabricated documents that they are.

[Dylar]

It doesn't have any relevance in the Bible. Because, as you've pointed out, it is abusive, and it attempts to make gays straight by exposing them to pornography which is a huge no no in a lot of Christian denominations. Remember when Christ says that whoever looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery in their heart?

And remember when the Bible said that, when a man lies with a man as he would a woman, he should be put to death?

And remember that gay acts are a sin and that simply having homosexual attractions are not?

That passage is referring to when two men have gay sex. It says nothing about two men being attracted to each other.

[Eranshahir]

In Zoroastrianism, we teach that homosexuality is druj - the embodiment of evil and pollution or a falsehood. It is a physical manifestation of Angra Mainyu.

That being said, a lot of Reformist Zoroastrians just ignore this teaching (in fact, they ignore the entire Vendidad which is where homosexuality is listed as druj which is like a Christian just removing the entire New Testament and only using the Old Testament).

Large parts of the Vendidad are a corruption of Zarathustra's original teachings that was written 700 years after his death.

And we have a reformist. The Vendidad are not a corruption of Ashu Zarathushtra's teachings. They're the early oral tradition and moral code of the Zoroastrians that were later written down. But this is neither the time nor place to argue the validity of the Vendidad. The bottom line is, unless you're a reformist - Zoroastrianism teaches that homosexuality is druj.