you do realize it's not a choice, right? it is not a sin. what is sinful is you being hateful.
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by Benuty » Wed May 23, 2018 2:09 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:From what I understand, the main issue here is the question of what the purpose is of marriage and sexuality. Some theologians say that marriage and sexuality are only permitted for the purpose of reproduction and that celibacy is superior otherwise. I know there are also some Christian groups that still promote natalism, but it would be better just to ignore them.
Natalism? What the hell is that? Also celibacy sucks.
by Diopolis » Wed May 23, 2018 2:10 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Bienenhalde wrote:From what I understand, the main issue here is the question of what the purpose is of marriage and sexuality. Some theologians say that marriage and sexuality are only permitted for the purpose of reproduction and that celibacy is superior otherwise. I know there are also some Christian groups that still promote natalism, but it would be better just to ignore them.
Natalism? What the hell is that? Also celibacy sucks.
by Chill beats LLC » Wed May 23, 2018 2:13 pm
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by Thermodolia » Wed May 23, 2018 2:14 pm
Also, celibacy's pretty cool imo
by Celledora » Wed May 23, 2018 2:14 pm
Chill beats LLC wrote:I think that God makes us the way we are because that's the way he wants us to be. It's not up to people to "correct" God's choices through shit like "conversion therapy" and abuse and hate. God loves everyone. Jesus forgave God for what He did to Him, so why can't people just fucking deal with each other? Gay or not gay.
by Thermodolia » Wed May 23, 2018 2:14 pm
by Diopolis » Wed May 23, 2018 2:15 pm
by Thermodolia » Wed May 23, 2018 2:17 pm
Diopolis wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Yes but homosexuality itself isn’t a choice, and that’s according to your on religion
Yes, of course it isn't a choice to have such inclinations. But I can't think of any religions off the top of my head that thinks having homosexual inclinations to be sinful, so it's rather disingenuous to say "a religious condemnation of sodomy(religious definitions of sodomy can be rather broader than a typical secular one) are homophobic because homosexuality isn't a choice". What's actually being discussed is the religious view that sexual acts committed between two men or two women is sinful; representing it as "religions condemn the state of having an inclination or desire to homosexual acts" is rather dishonest, to say the least.
by Diopolis » Wed May 23, 2018 2:18 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Diopolis wrote:Natalism is the position that childbirth is desirable and ought to be promoted.Dylar wrote:Natalism is promoting sexual reproduction for the purpose of continuing the human race.
So how is that different from saying that marriage and sexuality are only permitted for the purpose of reproduction?
by Diopolis » Wed May 23, 2018 2:19 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Diopolis wrote:Yes, of course it isn't a choice to have such inclinations. But I can't think of any religions off the top of my head that thinks having homosexual inclinations to be sinful, so it's rather disingenuous to say "a religious condemnation of sodomy(religious definitions of sodomy can be rather broader than a typical secular one) are homophobic because homosexuality isn't a choice". What's actually being discussed is the religious view that sexual acts committed between two men or two women is sinful; representing it as "religions condemn the state of having an inclination or desire to homosexual acts" is rather dishonest, to say the least.
There are a few crazy evangelical churches who believe even that admitting you are gay is sinful. Granted these are few in numbers but they tend to be the ones that run the “Pray the gay away” camps
by Celledora » Wed May 23, 2018 2:19 pm
Diopolis wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Yes but homosexuality itself isn’t a choice, and that’s according to your on religion
Yes, of course it isn't a choice to have such inclinations. But I can't think of any religions off the top of my head that thinks having homosexual inclinations to be sinful, so it's rather disingenuous to say "a religious condemnation of sodomy(religious definitions of sodomy can be rather broader than a typical secular one) are homophobic because homosexuality isn't a choice". What's actually being discussed is the religious view that sexual acts committed between two men or two women is sinful; representing it as "religions condemn the state of having an inclination or desire to homosexual acts" is rather dishonest, to say the least.
by Dylar » Wed May 23, 2018 2:19 pm
Chill beats LLC wrote:Jesus forgave God for what He did to Him
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.
by Bienenhalde » Wed May 23, 2018 2:19 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Natalism is promoting sexual reproduction for the purpose of continuing the human race.
by Chill beats LLC » Wed May 23, 2018 2:21 pm
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by Diopolis » Wed May 23, 2018 2:24 pm
Celledora wrote:Diopolis wrote:Yes, of course it isn't a choice to have such inclinations. But I can't think of any religions off the top of my head that thinks having homosexual inclinations to be sinful, so it's rather disingenuous to say "a religious condemnation of sodomy(religious definitions of sodomy can be rather broader than a typical secular one) are homophobic because homosexuality isn't a choice". What's actually being discussed is the religious view that sexual acts committed between two men or two women is sinful; representing it as "religions condemn the state of having an inclination or desire to homosexual acts" is rather dishonest, to say the least.
some stricter followers of religion decide themselves that homosexuality is a sin.
by Bienenhalde » Wed May 23, 2018 2:24 pm
Chill beats LLC wrote:Starting to get a little off topic, guys.
by Hakons » Wed May 23, 2018 2:25 pm
Celledora wrote:Diopolis wrote:Yes, of course it isn't a choice to have such inclinations. But I can't think of any religions off the top of my head that thinks having homosexual inclinations to be sinful, so it's rather disingenuous to say "a religious condemnation of sodomy(religious definitions of sodomy can be rather broader than a typical secular one) are homophobic because homosexuality isn't a choice". What's actually being discussed is the religious view that sexual acts committed between two men or two women is sinful; representing it as "religions condemn the state of having an inclination or desire to homosexual acts" is rather dishonest, to say the least.
some stricter followers of religion decide themselves that homosexuality is a sin.
by Dylar » Wed May 23, 2018 2:28 pm
Diopolis wrote:but we're very conservative YEC's
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.
by Zone 71 » Wed May 23, 2018 2:29 pm
Chill beats LLC wrote:I think that God makes us the way we are because that's the way he wants us to be. It's not up to people to "correct" God's choices through shit like "conversion therapy" and abuse and hate. God loves everyone. Jesus forgave God for what He did to Him, so why can't people just fucking deal with each other? Gay or not gay.
by Auze » Wed May 23, 2018 2:29 pm
by Dylar » Wed May 23, 2018 2:31 pm
St. Albert the Great wrote:"Natural science does not consist in ratifying what others have said, but in seeking the causes of phenomena."
Franko Tildon wrote:Fire washes the skin off the bone and the sin off the soul. It cleans away the dirt. And my momma didn't raise herself no dirty boy.
by Auze » Wed May 23, 2018 2:34 pm
Zone 71 wrote:Chill beats LLC wrote:I think that God makes us the way we are because that's the way he wants us to be. It's not up to people to "correct" God's choices through shit like "conversion therapy" and abuse and hate. God loves everyone. Jesus forgave God for what He did to Him, so why can't people just fucking deal with each other? Gay or not gay.
What's wrong with conversion therapy? Sure, conversion therapy often employs electroshock therapy, exposure to heterosexual pornography, and the forceful submission to a same-gender heterosexual role model... and sure, there is no federal legislation in America preventing minors from receiving this tortu- therapy... and sure, conversion therapy has a success rate of around 35%... and sure, it leaves its victims, oftentimes, with depression, thoughts of suicide, and habits of self-harm... and sure, there are a number of people known to have committed suicide from the trauma received from this form of tortu- therapy... but what's the big deal? I don't see anything wrong with the idea of the Church maintaining the belief that homosexuality and homosexual activities are a sin.
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