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Postby Grenartia » Wed May 23, 2018 10:25 am

ElectriKM wrote:Belarus, i think that you need a better point than,"Relationships that cant result in children are fake". Considering I'm a trans lesbian, are you saying me and my girlfriend have a fake relationship?


Well, lets ask the resident queerphobe. Parkus?
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Basically, the bastard child of a love-hate relationship between Nazis and Stalinists.

Stalinists and Nazis tend to both be against homosexuality. Lukashenko is probably influenced by both Stalinism and Nazism.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 10:30 am

Grenartia wrote:
ElectriKM wrote:Belarus, i think that you need a better point than,"Relationships that cant result in children are fake". Considering I'm a trans lesbian, are you saying me and my girlfriend have a fake relationship?


Well, lets ask the resident queerphobe. Parkus?

I'm not just a resident queerphobe, I'm the resident queerphobe. :^)
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Postby ElectriKM » Wed May 23, 2018 10:30 am

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Grenartia wrote:
Well, lets ask the resident queerphobe. Parkus?

I'm not just a resident queerphobe, I'm the resident queerphobe. :^)



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Postby Reikoku » Wed May 23, 2018 10:34 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Well, lets ask the resident queerphobe. Parkus?

I'm not just a resident queerphobe, I'm the resident queerphobe. :^)


I miss old Parkus, tbqh. The anti-queerphobe.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 10:35 am

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The Parkus Empire wrote:I'm not just a resident queerphobe, I'm the resident queerphobe. :^)


I miss old Parkus, tbqh. The anti-queerphobe.

I miss the old Grey Wolf. :^)
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Postby Tekania » Wed May 23, 2018 10:36 am

So a relationship is "fake" if it can't biologically produce offspring. So by that reasoning, a child-parent relationship is fake, friendships are fake, the governmental relationship of Belarus to its citizens is fake.

Of course expecting any type of actual reasoning out of shit-hole vermin factory like Belarus is expecting too much.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed May 23, 2018 10:36 am

Reikoku wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I'm not just a resident queerphobe, I'm the resident queerphobe. :^)


I miss old Parkus, tbqh. The anti-queerphobe.


Everyone but Parkus does.
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Postby Jelmatt » Wed May 23, 2018 10:38 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
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Shit, yeah, that's what I meant. Oops.

That's a good enough point. How does it relate to homosexuality, though?

So Kantian ethics?

Before homosexuality can be addressed, we have to determine if sex is fundamentally different from every other interpersonal activity.


Yes. I'm not as absolutist as Kant, but more or less.

Fine, let's assume it is.

ElectriKM wrote:Belarus, i think that you need a better point than,"Relationships that cant result in children are fake". Considering I'm a trans lesbian, are you saying me and my girlfriend have a fake relationship?


Nah, CLEARLY you're just a straight man with a crossdressing fetish carried too far.

(Seriously though that's what some transphobes believe about trans lesbians, it's terrible)
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 10:38 am

Grenartia wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
I miss old Parkus, tbqh. The anti-queerphobe.


Everyone but Parkus does.

The old lefty clique here was nothing to be proud of, just playground bullies.
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Postby Jelmatt » Wed May 23, 2018 10:40 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
I miss old Parkus, tbqh. The anti-queerphobe.

I miss the old Grey Wolf. :^)


I'm pretty sure Rei's stated a couple times that she's not Dagashi/Grey Wolf. Believe her or not, but she seemed mighty confused when people called her Dagashi on the RWDT.
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Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Postby Bowiie » Wed May 23, 2018 10:40 am

love isn't fake just because some lgbt+ relationships don't result in having children.. is love in general fake then? that's ridiculous..

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 10:40 am

Jelmatt wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:So Kantian ethics?

Before homosexuality can be addressed, we have to determine if sex is fundamentally different from every other interpersonal activity.


Yes. I'm not as absolutist as Kant, but more or less.

Fine, let's assume it is.

ElectriKM wrote:Belarus, i think that you need a better point than,"Relationships that cant result in children are fake". Considering I'm a trans lesbian, are you saying me and my girlfriend have a fake relationship?


Nah, CLEARLY you're just a straight man with a crossdressing fetish carried too far.

(Seriously though that's what some transphobes believe about trans lesbians, it's terrible)

Then you think masturbation is unethical?

Let us not assume, let us affirm, lest we end up doubling back on this point. Yes?
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Postby Jelmatt » Wed May 23, 2018 10:42 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
Yes. I'm not as absolutist as Kant, but more or less.

Fine, let's assume it is.



Nah, CLEARLY you're just a straight man with a crossdressing fetish carried too far.

(Seriously though that's what some transphobes believe about trans lesbians, it's terrible)

Then you think masturbation is unethical?

Let us not assume, let us affirm, lest we end up doubling back on this point. Yes?


Masturbation isn't sex, even if it is sexual. There's no one else to even potentially treat unethically.
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Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 10:42 am

Jelmatt wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I miss the old Grey Wolf. :^)


I'm pretty sure Rei's stated a couple times that she's not Dagashi/Grey Wolf. Believe her or not, but she seemed mighty confused when people called her Dagashi on the RWDT.

That would make a claim to know me years ago rather strange.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed May 23, 2018 10:44 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Everyone but Parkus does.

The old lefty clique here was nothing to be proud of, just playground bullies.


"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"

Jelmatt wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I miss the old Grey Wolf. :^)


I'm pretty sure Rei's stated a couple times that she's not Dagashi/Grey Wolf. Believe her or not, but she seemed mighty confused when people called her Dagashi on the RWDT.


I'm 95% confident I'd know if she was Grey Wolf.

The Parkus Empire wrote:Then you think masturbation is unethical?


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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 10:46 am

Jelmatt wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Then you think masturbation is unethical?

Let us not assume, let us affirm, lest we end up doubling back on this point. Yes?


Masturbation isn't sex. There's no one else to even potentially treat unethically.

How are you defining sex?

If sex is fundamentally different from all other interpersonal activities, I think it is safe to say its sexuality defines it and makes it different. Right? I mean that's saying the same thing, basically
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed May 23, 2018 10:52 am

Grenartia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:The old lefty clique here was nothing to be proud of, just playground bullies.


"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"

Following someone around just to let them know that you dislike them because their beliefs changed is really proving him wrong on the schoolyard bullying thing.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 10:53 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"

Following someone around just to let them know that you dislike them because their beliefs changed is really proving him wrong on the schoolyard bullying thing.

I don't think there is any following, Gren just happens to be sharing a thread with me in this instance.
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So Europoors and Canada.

Nobody else.

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Postby Jelmatt » Wed May 23, 2018 10:55 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
Masturbation isn't sex. There's no one else to even potentially treat unethically.

How are you defining sex?

If sex is fundamentally different from all other interpersonal activities, I think it is safe to say its sexuality defines it and makes it different. Right? I mean that's saying the same thing, basically


Sex is a highly intimate sexual activity between more than one person. I guess even that definition's a little broad since it could arguably include something as minor as making out, but the important part is that sex is specifically a interpersonal form of sexual behavior.

Maybe, but masturbation doesn't really fall under that since it's not a form of interpersonal activity in the first place. To use your previous logic in establishing sex as something different, you might dislike if your partner has sex with someone else, but if you have a problem with your partner masturbating you're really being unreasonable.
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Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Postby Grenartia » Wed May 23, 2018 10:56 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"

Following someone around just to let them know that you dislike them because their beliefs changed is really proving him wrong on the schoolyard bullying thing.


I'm not even following him around. Not my fault he keeps posting in the same thread as me.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 10:57 am

Jelmatt wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:How are you defining sex?

If sex is fundamentally different from all other interpersonal activities, I think it is safe to say its sexuality defines it and makes it different. Right? I mean that's saying the same thing, basically


Sex is a highly intimate sexual activity between more than one person. I guess even that definition's a little broad since it could arguably include something as minor as making out, but the important part is that sex is specifically a interpersonal form of sexual behavior.

Maybe, but masturbation doesn't really fall under that since it's not a form of interpersonal activity in the first place. To use your previous logic in establishing sex as something different, you might dislike if your partner has sex with someone else, but if you have a problem with your partner masturbating you're really being unreasonable.

I would say that plenty of interpersonal activities can be highly intimate tho. What makes sexual intimacy fundamentally unique?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed May 23, 2018 10:57 am

Grenartia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Following someone around just to let them know that you dislike them because their beliefs changed is really proving him wrong on the schoolyard bullying thing.


I'm not even following him around. Not my fault he keeps posting in the same thread as me.

Perhaps, but what is the point of just telling someone the equivalent of "I dislike you know, and everyone you used to be friends with dislikes you now"?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed May 23, 2018 11:00 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
I'm not even following him around. Not my fault he keeps posting in the same thread as me.

Perhaps, but what is the point of just telling someone the equivalent of "I dislike you know, and everyone you used to be friends with dislikes you now"?

That's not entirety true. Mike the Progressive and Dumb Ideologies have been pretty decent towards me. More decent than I once was toward DI, tbh
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