LGBT Relationships "Fake", According to Belarus

[Jelmatt]

There really doesn't seem a good reason to make the division between a personal and sexual Other rather than "I say so," is my point. If he begins by defining moral sex as necessarily involving a sexual Other, i.e., necessarily being heterosexual, then he's already excluded any possibility of homosexuality from the start.

If there were no important division this wouldn't even be a question since there would be no such thing as sexual orientation.

I think it was implied that I was saying that there's no moral/ethical importance to the division.

[Conserative Morality]

Right, therefore a Christian political organization would be a reliable source on it. :^)

Why would a purely political organization write about masturbation?

A public health organization, on the other hand...

[The Parkus Empire]

Someone other than yourself, but not some *sex* other than yourself. Which Scruton sees as the defining Other when it comes to sex

That just sounds like an arbitrary, useless, and stupid restriction. Where is his rationale for it?

What is his rationale for the Sexual Other being the defining Other in sexuality?

[The Parkus Empire]

If there were no important division this wouldn't even be a question since there would be no such thing as sexual orientation.

I think it was implied that I was saying that there's no moral/ethical importance to the division.

Which depends on whether or not you see sex as an act which has potential for ethical content.

[The Parkus Empire]

Right, therefore a Christian political organization would be a reliable source on it. :^)

Why would a purely political organization write about masturbation?

A public health organization, on the other hand...

If they are a charity but one that donates to politics (wait that makes no sense, hm, but let's pretend they can do that since Planned Parenthood can), let's say.

[Conserative Morality]

If they are a charity but one that donates to politics (wait that makes no sense,

It makes no sense for a charity to be involved in matters that affect the charity?

:thonk:

hm, but let's pretend they can do that since Planned Parenthood can), let's say.

How does that make them equivalent to a health organization?

I'm not even sure you look at what you post before you click submit anymore tbh.

[Grenartia]

Otherwise known as "Having too much time on your hands."

He was knighted for it

There's no accounting for taste. Some fucking old rich white lady was amused. Whoopde do. Is there anything actually productive or beneficial he's done?

Oh, I do think the transcendent experience of sharing ones being with another is real. It's one of my favorite things about sex, in fact. I'm just skeptical of the claim that this was only possible because my partner had a vagina.

I think your pet philosopher is taking one of the best things about sex, and clumsily twisting it into a brute cudgel out of sheer bigotry.

I don't think it's just a matter of genital difference from his perspective, but the full differences between a man and a woman as sexual counterparts

That only really makes sense if you subscribe to sexist stereotypes (see the spoiler) that have no real basis in fact.

I don't have it on me, but the basis is that sex is about transcending the self, and that homosexuality, lacking sexual difference, really can't do that and so it basically is just about self pleasuring, like masturbation, which makes it narcissistic (which the author asserts is unethical).

Just because a person is the same sex as you doesn't mean that you can't have sexual encounters with them in a way which still treats them as a different, self-directing person (or I suppose an "Other"). Homosexual sex is still interpersonal, no less than heterosexual sex.

Congratulations, by refuting somebody with a PhD in philosophy, you have earned a PhD in philosophy.

The physical differences of the sexes (which are not merely genitals) are the fundamental basis. The rest is really too moot for discussion here

No. It's not moot, because he's drawing an arbitrary line. There are some pretty masculine women out there physically, and some pretty feminine guys. And since genitals don't matter, what does? Am I engaging in immoral narcissism if my wife is taller than me? What if she's strong too, and has small breasts?

This whole things is such a contrived reason to oppose homosexuality that you should be embarrassed for presenting it seriously.

I'm starting to be convinced that Parkus got abducted by aliens and replaced by one of them pretending to have a totally different personality from him.

In some cases. Scruton would argue in *sex*, Sexual Other is necessary. The transcendent nature of sex, he argues, hinges on encounter with the sexual other.

Parkus, you're being duped by a crypto-liberal. No true conservative would valorate a union with the Other whereby the patriarch's productive masculine energy is progressively - and I use that word deliberately - sapped by the female partner and replaced with effeminate placidity and inadventure.

To restore Man to his former greatness, it is essential that we restore the classical system of regular regenerative intercourse between rugged citizen-soldiers and introductory pederasty to set the young on the right track.

Yours conservatively,
DI

That's....certainly a group of words you said, DI.

Planned parenthood is an extremely partisan organization which contributes money to politics. I wouldn't trust it anymore than you would a Christian Charity source.

Yes, we are all aware of what a hot-button political issue masturbation is.

Gotta stop the rampant self-rape that's plaguing society these days.

[Grenartia]

That just sounds like an arbitrary, useless, and stupid restriction. Where is his rationale for it?

What is his rationale for the Sexual Other being the defining Other in sexuality?

What's his obsession with this mythological "Other", and why does it need the capitalization?

[The Parkus Empire]

If they are a charity but one that donates to politics (wait that makes no sense,

It makes no sense for a charity to be involved in matters that affect the charity?

:thonk:

hm, but let's pretend they can do that since Planned Parenthood can), let's say.

How does that make them equivalent to a health organization?

I'm not even sure you look at what you post before you click submit anymore tbh.

I am sorry, but are you saying political donations by a churches would be okay so long as it's for religious issues?

[Conserative Morality]

I am sorry, but are you saying political donations by a churches would be okay so long as it's for religious issues?

No, that's not even close to equivalent. I'm sorry, but was there a "Separation of health and state" amendment that I missed?

[The Parkus Empire]

That only really makes sense if you subscribe to sexist stereotypes

Really now, is that all sexual orientation is about?

[The Parkus Empire]

I am sorry, but are you saying political donations by a churches would be okay so long as it's for religious issues?

No, that's not even close to equivalent. I'm sorry, but was there a "Separation of health and state" amendment that I missed?

Could you please quote the Amendment you are referencing?

[Conserative Morality]

No, that's not even close to equivalent. I'm sorry, but was there a "Separation of health and state" amendment that I missed?

Could you please quote the Amendment you are referencing?

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[Reikoku]

Literally no reason. The anti-queer shit probably came from organized religion trying to more effectively control people's lives and make them produce more slaves faithful followers.

Or they just incorporated the already homophobic views of their society into religion, which seems more likely than conspiracy theories about trying to enslave the masses.

[The Parkus Empire]

Could you please quote the Amendment you are referencing?

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Please, by all means, if the Constitution forbids religious organizations from making political donations, I invite you to quote where such is indicated

[The Parkus Empire]

What is his rationale for the Sexual Other being the defining Other in sexuality?

What's his obsession with this mythological "Other", and why does it need the capitalization?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_(philosophy)

[Conserative Morality]

Please, by all means, if the Constitution forbids religious organizations from making political donations, I invite you to quote where such is indicated

I can't even tell when you're being intentionally obtuse and missing the point anymore.

[The Parkus Empire]

I will quote what you are thinking of for you, CM


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

The definition of "establish" being used here is
"to make (a church) a national or state institution"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/establish

[The Parkus Empire]

The Congress in question, btw, is undoubtedly Federal Congress

[Dumb Ideologies]

Parkus, you're being duped by a crypto-liberal. No true conservative would valorate a union with the Other whereby the patriarch's productive masculine energy is progressively - and I use that word deliberately - sapped by the female partner and replaced with effeminate placidity and inadventure.

To restore Man to his former greatness, it is essential that we restore the classical system of regular regenerative intercourse between rugged citizen-soldiers and introductory pederasty to set the young on the right track.

Yours conservatively,
DI

That's....certainly a group of words you said, DI.

I am only seeking to ensure that Parkus does not fall anew to the wicked wiles of lady liberty.

[Grenartia]

What's his obsession with this mythological "Other", and why does it need the capitalization?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_(philosophy)

Seems useless and pretentious to me. God, no wonder you can't make a living in that field.

[The Parkus Empire]

That's....certainly a group of words you said, DI.

I am only seeking to ensure that Parkus does not fall anew to the wicked wiles of lady liberty.

You are seeking to replace Lady Liberty with a lewd loli

[Reikoku]

I am only seeking to ensure that Parkus does not fall anew to the wicked wiles of lady liberty.

You are seeking to replace Lady Liberty with a lewd loli

How did you find my blueprints.

[The Parkus Empire]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_(philosophy)

Seems useless and pretentious to me. God, no wonder you can't make a living in that field.

Pleb detected

[Reikoku]

well, his explanation is that he thinks it's unethical because homosexuals don't recognize the personal existence of their partners and view it as a form of masturbation. so I think it's safe to say he doesn't know what he's talking about

That's not what he says. He says sexuality is about an intimate encounter with the Other, to become them, almost. And that since sexuality is sexuality, the Other is primarily defined in sexual terms. Without man and woman, there is no sexual Other.

So heterosexual sex is autogynephilia?