Should Rural Votes be Weighted Against Urban Votes?

[San Lumen]

Because those in the legislative chamber understand they are not the only people in the state.

They don't care about me. Me being present doesn't make a single iota of difference.

Legislators are supposed to represent everyone not just those who voted for them. When whoever you vote for in November goes to Sacramento they will not just be representing your community but everyone in the district. They will not be making decisions for only for you but the entire state. This is basic civics dude.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Most small businesses are actually started by bootstrapping resources, not loans.

Also, yes, "earn more than". But the bank for a business also makes you put collateral before lending you anything. In the case of a personal loan, they won't even consider you with a bad credit record or no credit record, which many poor people have.

I don't think you understand how credit works.

In other words, the world's more complicated than what we tend to assume it is. News at whenever.

Rural credit could absolutely be made easier to get, that would be one way to help kickstart more entrepreneurial individuals living in the are who don't have any other means to do so.

Well, rural credit would not be good to kickstart entrepreneurial endeavors.

I'd rather do grants as economic relief for rural areas.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm aware your side is doing plenty of things even when you seem to want to seem virtuous.

It's the only way you seem to want to win elections nowadays.

So you admit that your point is wrong. Glad to see you're capable.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm aware your side is doing plenty of things even when you seem to want to seem virtuous.

It's the only way you seem to want to win elections nowadays.

So you admit that your point is wrong. Glad to see you're capable.

Oh, no, my point is not at all wrong. You seem to misunderstand me calling your politicians and your party on your side of the aisle hypocrites as opposed to me pointing specifics.

Which your side has plenty of shit to deserve the description.

[Sungai Pusat]

In other words, the world's more complicated than what we tend to assume it is. News at whenever.

Rural credit could absolutely be made easier to get, that would be one way to help kickstart more entrepreneurial individuals living in the are who don't have any other means to do so.

Well, rural credit would not be good to kickstart entrepreneurial endeavors.

I'd rather do grants as economic relief for rural areas.

Whatever works; I don't think desiring to have factories or mines returning is the best option (or really the not worst option), so anything that helps to make moving on a less painful process would be good.

[San Lumen]

How would their votes be worth more? You already have testimony from experts in committee and then there is debate on the floor.

Would the legislators from urban areas not be allowed to vote on a farm bill?

Well I mean I could give a number of idiotic laws where experts were obviously not consulted (like WOTUS saying puddles belong to the government & unrealistic changes requested in unrealistic time frames)

but to the main point, they should vote, the urban legislators, just that they would have less weight. Maybe till the rural legislators' votes were closer to the total value of the urban ones. It doesn't affect the people they represent as much. Coincides with the question you've dodged twice, reverse the situation, what if your area was decided by rural people? I can infer from your tone towards rural people, you would not like that.

I dont understand how would their votes have less weight?

to answer your question Tyranny of the minority is no better than tyranny of the majority. That is why the principle of one man, one vote was created.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh, no, my point is not at all wrong. You seem to misunderstand me calling your politicians on your side of the aisle hypocrites as opposed to me pointing specifics.

If it was your side doing it and getting away with it you'd probably be singing a different tune, considering your desire to push people out of political discourse.

I suppose this must be a new form of code or conlang indecipherable from English.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Oh, no, my point is not at all wrong. You seem to misunderstand me calling your politicians on your side of the aisle hypocrites as opposed to me pointing specifics.

If it was your side doing it and getting away with it you'd probably be singing a different tune, considering your desire to push people out of political discourse.

I suppose this must be a new form of code or conlang indecipherable from English.

Oh no. See, if Lumen's side was getting away with it, he would be like "hell yea gerrymandering is good! Is keeping those ignorant assholes in line!"

After all, that's all he seems to talk about.

But clearly, it is indecipherable to you, provided you admit to the fact you can't read.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh no. See, if Lumen's side was getting away with it, he would be like "hell yea gerrymandering is good! Is keeping those ignorant assholes in line!"

After all, that's all he seems to talk about.

But we are getting away with it. And you've admitted it. But hey, anything to keep from admitting you fucked up. Maybe beating your chest will even convince someone that you are a Detached Observer and Brave Moderate unlike those fanatics on either side.

[San Lumen]

I suppose this must be a new form of code or conlang indecipherable from English.

Oh no. See, if Lumen's side was getting away with it, he would be like "hell yea gerrymandering is good! Is keeping those ignorant assholes in line!"

After all, that's all he seems to talk about.

But clearly, it is indecipherable to you, provided you admit to the fact you can't read.

I have said many times that gerrymandering should be outlawed.

[Telconi]

They don't care about me. Me being present doesn't make a single iota of difference.

Legislators are supposed to represent everyone not just those who voted for them. When whoever you vote for in November goes to Sacramento they will not just be representing your community but everyone in the district. They will not be making decisions for only for you but the entire state. This is basic civics dude.

It's fundamentally impossible for them to represent me and their own voters.

[Conserative Morality]

Legislators are supposed to represent everyone not just those who voted for them. When whoever you vote for in November goes to Sacramento they will not just be representing your community but everyone in the district. They will not be making decisions for only for you but the entire state. This is basic civics dude.

It's fundamentally impossible for them to represent me and their own voters.

In that case more representation for you will not solve that fundamental problem; only bring government into deadlock.

[San Lumen]

Legislators are supposed to represent everyone not just those who voted for them. When whoever you vote for in November goes to Sacramento they will not just be representing your community but everyone in the district. They will not be making decisions for only for you but the entire state. This is basic civics dude.

It's fundamentally impossible for them to represent me and their own voters.

How is it impossible or do you have a complete and utter lack of understanding of how your government works?

[Cranborne]

They don't care about me. Me being present doesn't make a single iota of difference.

Legislators are supposed to represent everyone not just those who voted for them. When whoever you vote for in November goes to Sacramento they will not just be representing your community but everyone in the district. They will not be making decisions for only for you but the entire state. This is basic civics dude.

Legislators almost never try to represent those that did not vote for them.

Also will you answer my question regarding the Standing Rock reservation?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Oh no. See, if Lumen's side was getting away with it, he would be like "hell yea gerrymandering is good! Is keeping those ignorant assholes in line!"

After all, that's all he seems to talk about.

But we are getting away with it. And you've admitted it. But hey, anything to keep from admitting you fucked up. Maybe beating your chest will even convince someone that you are a Detached Observer and Brave Moderate unlike those fanatics on either side.

Oh, no, I don't make myself any fantasies of being a detached observer and brave moderate.

You seem to misunderstand the fact I am an asshole with the perceived notion of yours that I am some detached observer. I really am not.

I'm just some disenchanted asshole who likes to point out your bullshit when I see it. I'm not brave, nor some kind of hero, and I don't think I've ever pretended to be such. In fact, I've said plenty of times in these forums that I am, indeed, a prick. That you can't read is not my problem.

[Telconi]

It's fundamentally impossible for them to represent me and their own voters.

How is it impossible or do you have a complete and utter lack of understanding of how your government works?

They can't vote both ways?

[San Lumen]

Legislators are supposed to represent everyone not just those who voted for them. When whoever you vote for in November goes to Sacramento they will not just be representing your community but everyone in the district. They will not be making decisions for only for you but the entire state. This is basic civics dude.

Legislators almost never try to represent those that did not vote for them.

Also will you answer my question regarding the Standing Rock reservation?

The pipeline should not have been built through Indian reservations.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh, no, I don't make myself any fantasies of being a detached observer and brave moderate.

You seem to misunderstand the fact I am an asshole with the perceived notion of yours that I am some detached observer. I really am not.

I'm just some disenchanted asshole who likes to point out your bullshit when I see it.

You're doing a bad job considering you fucked up so badly on such a basic issue. I mean really, the posts were *right* there, and clearly you knew about gerrymandering in Maryland.

Step up your game, my man, it's low-quality right now.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Ive seen multiple comments suggesting that legislatures should be redrawn and instead of being done by population it should be weighted in favor of rural communities. For example in my state of New York, Hamilton County (the least populous county) should have more representation than someone in the Bronx.

This was the case in many state legislatures prior to a Supreme Court decision entitled Reynolds V Sims in 1964 which established one man one vote and drawing state legislatures to favor rural communities over urban areas was unconstitutional and that electoral districts must be roughly equal in population. Chief Justice Earl Warren famously wrote “Legislators represent people, not trees or acres. Legislators are elected by voters, not farms or cities or economic interests."

I have even heard some suggest that statewide elections should be determined not by how many votes a candidate receives but how many counties they carry. How that is even remotely fair or democratic is beyond me.

The concept of weighted votes is why I oppose the Electoral College as it makes land area count more than raw votes.

However this is not just a United States issue it could certainly be applied to other countries as well. Canada for example. The current government won its majority by sweeping urban areas.

The concept of one man one vote is very important in any democracy. No person's vote should count more than someone else's because of where they reside.

What's your take NSG?

Electoral college votes also aren't proportional to the population of states. If they were, California would have 12 more votes and Idaho would have 1 vote instead of 4.

[Cranborne]

Legislators almost never try to represent those that did not vote for them.

Also will you answer my question regarding the Standing Rock reservation?

The pipeline should not have been built through Indian reservations.

But what if the people of North Dakota wanted it built? The majority that is.

[San Lumen]

How is it impossible or do you have a complete and utter lack of understanding of how your government works?

They can't vote both ways?

How many times does it have to be explained to you that your community is not the center of the state?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Oh, no, I don't make myself any fantasies of being a detached observer and brave moderate.

You seem to misunderstand the fact I am an asshole with the perceived notion of yours that I am some detached observer. I really am not.

I'm just some disenchanted asshole who likes to point out your bullshit when I see it.

You're doing a bad job considering you fucked up so badly on such a basic issue. I mean really, the posts were *right* there, and clearly you knew about gerrymandering in Maryland.

Step up your game, my man, it's low-quality right now.

I'm actually not paying that much attention to this, if I can be honest. I actually have a life to care about instead of trying to win an argument with some stranger on the internet that seems to think I give that much of a shit about this forum, and who truly believes his "gotchas" are going to stop me from somehow being an asshole.

But I mean, if you want me to spend more effort into this, that actually says more about how much free time you got on your hands to argue with some stranger online in a "serious" manner than it does about me.

[San Lumen]

The pipeline should not have been built through Indian reservations.

But what if the people of North Dakota wanted it built? The majority that is.

This is why compromise and negotiation is important

[Bakery Hill]

The pipeline should not have been built through Indian reservations.

But what if the people of North Dakota wanted it built? The majority that is.

Rural people are all vulgar white fascists. There are no non-white rural people, not in the United States or anywhere. They live in Urban areas and write Urban music.

[Telconi]

They can't vote both ways?

How many times does it have to be explained to you that your community is not the center of the state?

You can beat your dead horse as long as you want, I'll wait for you to get back to the conversation.