Should Rural Votes be Weighted Against Urban Votes?

[Conserative Morality]

No, you don't. Having a vote doesn't actually mean your voice is heard in any meaningful way, and you inevitably end up having your decisions made for you by people who don't give a fuck about you, don't understand you and don't want to. Which is the point.

Oh, so you dislike democracy. I hear that has become quite popular amongst certain internet communities as of late. =^)

[Kubra]

One man, one vote. No rural votes, no rural people. Urbanise the countryside.

What about the Natives and the Amish? They live in rural areas. Also, urbanizing the countryside would probably destroy the agriculture industry because not even hydroponics and aquaponics farms replace and produce the level of food necessary to feed an entire nation and help export the national food. You'd also be killing a lot of species that may live there. Urbanizing the countryside doesn't seem like a good answer to the problem for me, my friend.

Enoch outlived my bands legal status, and will probably outlive my family. It occurs to me that having a casino near a busy costco is a better way of living than next to nothing somewhere over in high prairie. In any case, more than half of aboriginals (within Canada, for the sake of having numbers) reside in cities, with the share of urban-dwellers expected to rise compared to rural-dwellers.
The anabaptists? Man, it's gonna be so weird when they get their own cities.

[Torrocca]

No, you don't. Having a vote doesn't actually mean your voice is heard in any meaningful way, and you inevitably end up having your decisions made for you by people who don't give a fuck about you, don't understand you and don't want to. Which is the point.

Oh, so you dislike democracy. I hear that has become quite popular amongst certain internet communities as of late. =^)

A dictatorship of me is a dictatorship where you're free* :^)

*Fees and rates may apply

[Bakery Hill]

Then the minority voice is drowned out, leading to discontent and the collapse of the common project. A compromise between separate units is the basis of all federalism everywhere.

The minority voice is always drowned out. The only question is which minority it is.

wow ur woke

But really, one of the achievement of liberal philosophy is its focus on protecting the minority against the majority in a system that is by its nature majoritarian. Classically this has usually meant the privileged few against the slobbering evil unionised mob, but not always so. Federalism one such structure that exists to protect smaller units by giving them influence over the state. This prevents them from being persecuted and keeps the nation as it exists viable. We need more of it not less. A "fuck the dumb rednecks in flyover country" politics will only accelerate the polarisation and decline of the United States. Is that your goal?

[Kramanica]

No, you don't. Having a vote doesn't actually mean your voice is heard in any meaningful way, and you inevitably end up having your decisions made for you by people who don't give a fuck about you, don't understand you and don't want to. Which is the point.

Oh, so you dislike democracy. I hear that has become quite popular amongst certain internet communities as of late. =^)

I dislike many aspects of it since it tends to lead to the type of bullshit you apparently want, which is why many Weatern countries choose to limit it.

[Kramanica]

Oh, so you dislike democracy. I hear that has become quite popular amongst certain internet communities as of late. =^)

A dictatorship of me is a dictatorship where you're free* :^)

*Fees and rates may apply

Free T-34s for everyone.

[Conserative Morality]

wow ur woke

But really, one of the achievement of liberal philosophy is its focus on protecting the minority against the majority in a system that is by its nature majoritarian. Classically this has usually meant the privileged few against the slobbering evil unionised mob, but not always so. Federalism one such structure that exists to protect smaller units by giving them influence over the state. This prevents them from being persecuted and keeps the nation as it exists viable. We need more of it not less. A "fuck the dumb rednecks in flyover country" politics will only accelerate the polarisation and decline of the United States. Is that your goal?

Polarization, yes, decline, no.

[Torrocca]

A dictatorship of me is a dictatorship where you're free* :^)

*Fees and rates may apply

Free T-34s for everyone.

Nyet, free T-90s. We must modernize to crush the Capitalist threat!

[Kramanica]

Free T-34s for everyone.

Nyet, free T-90s. We must modernize to crush the Capitalist threat!

>implying you need modernization when you can just roll them straight from the assembly line to the battle and spam the Capitalists into oblivion

comrade

i am disappoint

[Telconi]

wow ur woke

But really, one of the achievement of liberal philosophy is its focus on protecting the minority against the majority in a system that is by its nature majoritarian. Classically this has usually meant the privileged few against the slobbering evil unionised mob, but not always so. Federalism one such structure that exists to protect smaller units by giving them influence over the state. This prevents them from being persecuted and keeps the nation as it exists viable. We need more of it not less. A "fuck the dumb rednecks in flyover country" politics will only accelerate the polarisation and decline of the United States. Is that your goal?

Polarization, yes, decline, no.

The two are one and the same.

[Conserative Morality]

The two are one and the same.

Nah. Polarization is what allowed the Civil War to turn the North against slavery. The idea that we need to 'compromise' and that all ideas are of equal value is what led to civil rights being gutted for a hundred years and Reconstruction ending prematurely.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Nyet, free T-90s. We must modernize to crush the Capitalist threat!

>implying you need modernization when you can just roll them straight from the assembly line to the battle and spam the Capitalists into oblivion

comrade

i am disappoint

What is this, Command and Conquer?

[Cantoni]

Not even remotely. The idea of civil rights and civil liberties are that all people are created equal. The same should be said about their voting power.

[Kramanica]

>implying you need modernization when you can just roll them straight from the assembly line to the battle and spam the Capitalists into oblivion

comrade

i am disappoint

What is this, Command and Conquer?

No, they would literally do that with T-34s when Jerry was invading. Roll them straight from the assembly line to the battlefield. Didn't even bother to paint them.

[Torrocca]

Nyet, free T-90s. We must modernize to crush the Capitalist threat!

>implying you need modernization when you can just roll them straight from the assembly line to the battle and spam the Capitalists into oblivion

comrade

i am disappoint

>implying we can't simplify the production of the T-90s to roll them straight from the factories into battle

comrade

do you even into war of attrition strategies

[Telconi]

The two are one and the same.

Nah. Polarization is what allowed the Civil War to turn the North against slavery. The idea that we need to 'compromise' and that all ideas are of equal value is what led to civil rights being gutted for a hundred years and Reconstruction ending prematurely.

So you're for decline then.

[Conserative Morality]

So you're for decline then.

Oh, is that what you think the American Civil War led to? I will keep that in mind.

[Telconi]

So you're for decline then.

Oh, is that what you think the American Civil War led to? I will keep that in mind.

People shooting other people is decline, if you think otherwise you're either a sadist or stupid.

[Conserative Morality]

People shooting other people is decline, if you think otherwise you're either a sadist or stupid.

For all the negative opinions I have about you, I never took you for a Copperhead either. Oh well, life is full of surprises.

[Neu Leonstein]

wow ur woke

But really, one of the achievement of liberal philosophy is its focus on protecting the minority against the majority in a system that is by its nature majoritarian. Classically this has usually meant the privileged few against the slobbering evil unionised mob, but not always so. Federalism one such structure that exists to protect smaller units by giving them influence over the state. This prevents them from being persecuted and keeps the nation as it exists viable. We need more of it not less. A "fuck the dumb rednecks in flyover country" politics will only accelerate the polarisation and decline of the United States. Is that your goal?

The point is that the "units" are arbitrarily chosen in this case, and have widely different population figures. I don't like geographical splits of the vote in any case (even the Westminister system ends up in practice effectively disenfranchising most people, so there's something to be said about the German hybrid system). But there really is no justification for keeping splits with different numbers of people in it, just because they're based on some historical precedent. People in flyover country aren't suddenly worth less because they choose to move to New York, and vice versa. There's nothing magical about the land they reside in that makes them extra important.

[Senkaku]

Oh, is that what you think the American Civil War led to? I will keep that in mind.

People shooting other people is decline, if you think otherwise you're either a sadist or stupid.

...I mean, involvement in a major war doesn't inevitably lead to decline (see: America in the World Wars). I don't think CM is saying it'd be a fun time, and I don't agree with his implication that a second civil war would lead to some sort of national rejuvenation, but it is a bit silly to ignore history and just say all wars have negative consequences for everyone.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So you're for decline then.

Oh, is that what you think the American Civil War led to? I will keep that in mind.

Uh, yeah, a country tearing itself apart and more than a million people dying is what most people would call decline.

[Kramanica]

People shooting other people is decline, if you think otherwise you're either a sadist or stupid.

...I mean, involvement in a major war doesn't inevitably lead to decline (see: America in the World Wars). I don't think CM is saying it'd be a fun time, and I don't agree with his implication that a second civil war would lead to some sort of national rejuvenation, but it is a bit silly to ignore history and just say all wars have negative consequences for everyone.

I'd say war doesn't inevitably lead to decline, but it is 99% of the time a symptom of decline.

[Freezic Vast]

Oh, is that what you think the American Civil War led to? I will keep that in mind.

Uh, yeah, a country tearing itself apart and more than a million people dying is what most people would call decline.

*half a million

Get your history straightened out.

[Telconi]

People shooting other people is decline, if you think otherwise you're either a sadist or stupid.

...I mean, involvement in a major war doesn't inevitably lead to decline (see: America in the World Wars). I don't think CM is saying it'd be a fun time, and I don't agree with his implication that a second civil war would lead to some sort of national rejuvenation, but it is a bit silly to ignore history and just say all wars have negative consequences for everyone.

Wars have negative consequences for a lot of folks, like, well, everyone honestly. Some of them (often a lot of them) get killed, people starve, refugees get displaced, infrastructure is destroyed leaving the nation in worse shape than it was before. A civil wart is doubly bad, but it's by definition your own country get fucked on both sides of the conflict.

But alas, CM apparently likes the idea of inflicting pain and suffering upon millions, I wish I could say I'm surprised.